Club's information

Franchise player Marcelijus Laurinkus

362 RT

Age: 28 y.

Height: 217 cm.

Dzolandas

Local name: Džolandas

2.2

Manager: dwyane3

M. Laurinkus

Points: 15,0

S. Priešpilius

Rebounds: 5,3

C. Kuai

Assists: 3,5

Information

Activity	2023-12-09 00:36
Country	Lithuania
Federation	Lithuanian Basketball Federation
Short club name	Dzolis (Dzo)
Basketball school	Dzolis Basketball school
Youth team	Dzolandas Youth
Manages national team:	India U18

Rankings

Strongest in the game	49 ( place in rankings)
Strongest in nat. league	2 ( place in rankings)
Strongest in int. league	4 ( place in rankings)
RT average	332
Fan club	1094
Fan ranking	84 ( place in rankings)
Pop. rating in int. league	23 ( place in rankings)
Image	7/7
Personnel's opinion	7/7

Statistics

Weekly income from sponsors	152140 Eu
Max sum for personnel's salaries	330888 Eu
Trades restrictions' level	10 (History)
Trades done overall	35
Trades made this season	0
Overall wins/matches played	581/1096 53%
Season's wins/matches played	16/26 62%
Amount of borrowed players	8 (Statistics)

2.2 2.2 dwyane3

Game's news: Community's training settings for U18s!

-- 96 S 22 d.

Community's training settings for U18s!

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2.1 4.5 d0man

As an ex u16 nt coach and scout for Polish U18 players I can say that health training for young players is the worst thing you could do for your national team and not necessarily good for your team. It is worth mentioning that it is a long-term investment and you are spending the best time for training skills on skill with no immediate benefits especially when there is no inner potential in health. It takes around 8 seasons(depending on potential) to gain actual benefits from additional training points and in that age injuries aren't a problem. So besides rare cases no benefits from rewards no benefits for nt u16 and u18 and u21. When you start gaining benefits from this training it is around the time when you need to sign a contract for a sum that isn't financially benefiting you and the player should be around time to play in the first team, not in the young team where you can cut cost.
So I would say training health is only good when you have a good inner in it or you have a player that you want to be in your team no matter what the cost till the end of his career. -- 96 S 23 d.

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1.1 3.1 nerdageddon

Really good write-ups. I like to read all the different approaches to team building both long term & short term. Thanks for sharing folks. -- 96 S 23 d.

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4.2 6.6 trybfg

学到了很多，感谢大佬们 -- 96 S 24 d.

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Y 4 barbabodom

Why improvement jump would be a bad thing? -- 96 S 24 d.

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2.1 4.5 d0man

Some factors influence training age, potential, and strength of opponent in a played game. Taking an improvement jump slows potential and makes the difference between opponents smaller so it makes your player better but slows his growth, theoretically, players should end on the same level but in fact, if your player outgrows his league he will get less from improvement jump than from normal training. Improvement jump works fine if you are going to play in a better league next season but otherwise, it is slightly worse than normal training. It could be a nice tool to use on players that have long contracts but you don't plan/ have money to extend or the player who is playing in the youth team but is an almost first-squad player or if you want to build strong nt in u21,u18,u16 categories or gain financial bonus from rewards. But in the pure training aspect and making players be at their peak, normal training is a more stable and better thing. -- 96 S 24 d.

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1.1 4.6 barbabodom

Without improvement jumps wouldn´t I be reducing the "shelf life" of a first team player? Let´s say with improvement jump I would have him in great form for 8 seasons and without for 6-7 seasons? -- 96 S 24 d.

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2.1 4.5 d0man

It good argument for taking improvement jump but still it doesn't necessary mean that taking it will give longer 'shelf life'. It depends on age of player, his health and how much potential he lost and how he looks compared to opponents he is facing. Financial aspects are also worth considering because what if your player have longer peak if he needs to end career earlier because nobody is willing to pay for him. And this is there'd mainly focused on u18 so I would say unless it is jump to change player from young team to 20 minutes + main team it is waste of potential only exception if you gain promotion back to back or it is very small potential loss. Of course I'm taking in account that you have at least average development coach. -- 96 S 24 d.

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2.1 4.1 zurda10

This is very nice. I'll try to write for next week's topic, if I find a bit of time.
Good work everybody. -- 96 S 26 d.

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2.2 2.2 dwyane3

Game's news: Community's favourite tactical settings!

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Community's favourite tactical settings!

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2.2 2.2 dwyane3

What topic would you like to see covered by the community members? -- 96 S 18 d.

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1.1 4.5 bananajohn

how users planing and managing their team finances... -- 96 S 18 d.

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2.2 6.17 Kyle00322311143M

When you should accept the trade, and reject the trade offered by other clubs. -- 96 S 23 d.

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2.2 2.2 dwyane3

Game's news: Coach training update discussion

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Coach training update discussion

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2.1 3.1 ulipulido

Nice improve -- 96 S 19 d.

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1.1 1.1 Gudrioji Lape

maybe would be fair when introducing the update to compensate at least some training points depending on their age. Now some coaches we have trained for 20 seasons, so for sure would be unfair. -- 96 S 19 d.

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1.1 1.1 nofixations

Change on old coaches should happen in 3-4 seasons - to get people the time to adapt ( e.g. when big long-term salary contracts were given ) -- 96 S 19 d.

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2.2 3.2 joancrumor

Press message hidden by federation volunteer or administrator -- 96 S 19 d.

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1.1 2.2 fanling3

> Training of assistant and training coaches would depend on the difference between the coach RT and the head coach RT. The learning curve would be better when having a better head coach

Do the assistant coaches in youth team depends on head coach in main team or youth team? Do you expect us to hire a good coach for youth team as head coach? Or put all assistant coaches in main team? -- 96 S 19 d.

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1.1 2.2 fanling3

> while older coaches will not improve at all or minimally or even start losing part of their skills

Coach performance depends on knowledge and experience I suppose? Do they get Parkinson's disease or something? -- 96 S 19 d.

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2.2 3.2 joancrumor

Press message hidden by federation volunteer or administrator -- 96 S 19 d.

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2.1 2.1 Aurimas.

Also make a limit of coaches in the team before all the coaches moved to Honkong -- 96 S 19 d.

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2.2 3.3 a-darius

Gudrioji Lape:
We won't be able to offer compensations. So, if the community believes that this update should be delayed for more seasons or even postponed, please let us know. However, we've had a few postponed updates before, and almost nobody in the entire BasketPulse community changed how they play the game. So, I really doubt if it's a good idea to delay this update even more.

fanling3:
Do you think the ability to learn is the same for a 30-year-old and a 70-year-old person? In reality, a coaching career is much shorter compared to BasketPulse. While there are some older coaches in the world, they are more like exceptions. I reviewed Euroleague coaches, and the best achievements are usually collected in the mid-fifties. So, that's more or less the peak for coaches.

In BasketPulse, we can't increase coach training speed because their growing period is insanely long (it could even be 40 seasons of daily positive training). If we significantly reduce that, we could have the ability to grow coaches a bit faster. It doesn't make sense that you need almost 7 "human years" to develop a coach to their peak :) -- 96 S 19 d.

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Y 1 fanling3

Sounds reasonable to me. Any plan at what age the coach reaches his peak? -- 96 S 19 d.

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2.2 3.3 a-darius

I noticed that some messages were hidden. Please stay on the topic. If you have a negative or positive opinion, please express them with arguments or at least point out what you don't like.

As we want to have the ability to learn something from these articles and comments, we will remove comments that do not give any value. -- 96 S 19 d.

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2.2 3.3 a-darius

Aurimas,
Thank you for reminding us of this issue. Basically, some limits are not working correctly, and we need to review them. Firstly, we need to decide if we really need them and why exactly. Each restriction and limit is introduced into the game with a good reason. However, with time, these reasons might no longer be valid.

The player and coach count for team limits, I think, were introduced into the game before the minimum salary. So maybe the correct way is not to enforce them but to remove them?

Internally, we are having similar discussions about the still existing limit to create new franchise players based on division and a few other limits/restrictions that were introduced into the game ages ago. -- 96 S 19 d.

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1.1 1.1 HeyHoudini

Imagine Obradovic having Pablo Laso and Jasikevicius as assistant coaches. Makes total sense having best coaches in one team.. interesting why nobody has done it irl -- 96 S 19 d.

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Y 1 superdzonis

so all middle age coach who were trained long years will loose their value. Seems fair.
"It doesn't make sense that you need almost 7 "human years" to develop a coach to their peak :) "
to be honest this sounds funny what you needed 96 seasons to understand what (unless at the beginning of the game was different coach improvement system) :D -- 96 S 19 d.

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2.2 3.3 a-darius

superdzonis,

Heyhoudini
So, what is your suggestion here? Should we completely close this idea or delay it for a longer period? If so, how long? -- 96 S 19 d.

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1.1 4.5 bananajohn

No delay needed, implement now and everyone will be happy. Why should couple users stop the progress many were asking? -- 96 S 20 d.

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1.1 1.1 史塔克

I'm confused about the skills of old coaches. You're like letting them retire early. Why do you do this? Before this season, everyone knows how difficult it is to have a good coach. Now there can be a 10-potential coach every day.) As you said, no matter which season the coaching system is updated, there will be opposition. Why? You said the reason, they spent 6-7 years training coaches in reality. -- 96 S 20 d.

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1.1 1.1 Gudrioji Lape

just think how to avoid the unfair. Maybe slower development for older coaches could be decreased very gradually? as lets say all new appearing coaches have very quick development in the beginning, smaller at later. Then old coaches would develop in old way at least for some time. Or maybe it could simply be improvement jumps for coaches. -- 96 S 20 d.

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2.2 3.3 a-darius

@史塔克:
I did not say anything about "retiring early". This is more about how skill increasing/decreasing works.

Gudrioji Lape:
As training is very related to improvement jumps, I don't think that we can make it "gradually." Probably, we could postpone the skill decrease part more (as this does not affect peak RT).

Something like this:
* Younger coaches learn things more quickly.
* After their 50 years, their improvement decreases significantly (or even to zero based on the coach and all criteria).
* After 55, their skill starts to decrease (at first, at a minimum, and with age, more). This part can be postponed, let's say, for an additional 3 more seasons.

The exact "numbers" can be adjusted. That is just a first glance. -- 96 S 20 d.

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1.1 3.2 lunaro

50 seems too early to peak? That's 20 seasons of regression before retirement -- 96 S 20 d.

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1.1 1.1 keepsmile

It doesn't make sense that you need almost 7 "human years" to develop a coach to their peak :)
yes,no one want to waste so much time to train a head coach,even i get 10 potential coach easy.so i agree to change the coach trainning system.what about the detail of coach 'jump' part update now? -- 96 S 20 d.

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Y 1 fourkings

GM:
First of all, I am a firm reformist, and I also believe that some content that is not in line with reality or unreasonable should be modified. But for a manager who has experienced many seasons, the current management team's changes to the game usually cause a huge shock to the game. Reform is not a Jesus creation process that can fix everything from mountains and rivers to what color underwear you wear in seven days.
Here I will give a very realistic example, I have a coach, with about 300,000 euros lottery, these 10 seasons, I have paid more salary for this coach. The coach's starting age is 38, this season it is 53, and his four tactical attributes have reached 11 points.
If you follow your game update plan, this coach for me, probably equivalent to 15 seasons, paying expensive salary and lottery fees. And after you changed his value by 90%, even buying him out is the best option. Below is a link to this coach.

https://www.basketpulse.com/cn/Coach/105299/description. I would like to ask GM, if this coach has worked at your club for 15 seasons, what is your attitude towards this coach now?
Let me reiterate that I am never against reform, but the loss is extremely hard to bear. I believe there are many other managers who face the same problem, as long as he has a long-term plan for his club. Think about how these managers feel now, having played by the rules of the game for years to develop a coach who is suddenly in negative equity.
Let me just emphasize one point: the compensation package. It would be irresponsible for the average manager to suffer at every change. -- 96 S 20 d.

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2.2 3.2 cyseric

@ a-darius

https://www.basketpulse.com/tw/Player/2335354/description
I have a question: if I hire this old player who plan to retire at the end of this season, can I reconvert him to coach during playoffs or after the trading dradline (the 35th day)? -- 96 S 20 d.

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1.1 2.2 ak904

I suggest adding a feature that allows players to retire early when they reach 30 years old. Users can pay a compensation to players over 30 years old to allow them to retire early and become coaches. The level of compensation can be determined based on the player's skills. In this way, there is no need to worry about when players will retire, especially players whose skills have obviously declined but still do not retire. -- 96 S 20 d.

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2.2 1.1 superdzonis

Only for me it looks stupid that in the market you can offer any salary for player who will retire in the end of the season and make him coach and player salary dissapers... for me it looks like a flaw. I think team should pay atleast one week salary whick team offered in market. -- 96 S 20 d.

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2.1 1.1 TRX001

I suggest adding the function of spending credit points to train coaches, such as investing 10,000 credit points per week, you can train an 8-10 potential coach in a season, which can make the game run better -- 96 S 20 d.

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2.1 1.1 TRX001

Or improve the credit points needed to requalified coaches, which are now a bit cheap, 10 pot coaches are too easy to get now,maybe we can improve 4500credit to 100000? -- 96 S 20 d.

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1.1 1.1 HeyHoudini

a-darius kiek top lygio trenerių Eurolygoje eitų pas kitą top lygio trenerį asistentu dirbti?
Atnaujinimo reikia, bet kai keli klubai susipirks po n skaičių 10pot trenerių, kokia logika bus šito? Jasikevičiaus kiekviena Eurolygos komanda į asistentus norėtų. Vyr. Trenerio kėdė yra siekemybė, o asistentai labai dažnai būna išreikšti tam tikrų įgūdžių treneriai, kurie papildo vyr trenerį papildomom įžvalgom.

Atnaujinimo dėl trenerių reikėjo 30 sezonų atgal jau. -- 96 S 20 d.

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2.2 3.3 a-darius

lunaro:
I agree that peaking at 50 is too soon. Perhaps we should consider a peak around ~55. I also believe the limit doesn't need to be strict for every case. I propose gradually reducing training each year, with some coaches receiving training points beyond 50 based on certain criteria. After a certain point, maybe around 55, some coaches could stop receiving training points. We could have a few seasons of a "freeze" before starting a decline (this part can be delayed further).

superdzonis,

TRX001:
Good points. We'll discuss these internally. Regarding faster training using credits, I think that might be too drastic.

ak904:
We aim to avoid increasing the "requalification" count. With almost 40 new coaches this season, we'll likely make some changes to reduce requalifications in the future. Please check suggestions from superdzonis and TRX011.

HeyHoudini:
I'm still unclear about your suggestion.

keepsmile:
Coaches' improvement jumps may work similarly to players, but the update will come after the training rewrite. It's too early to plan the details, especially considering that updates sometimes get delayed. As I have a full-time job, coach updates are handled by someone else, making it challenging to provide exact promises. -- 96 S 20 d.

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1.1 1.1 HeyHoudini

Kad komandos turėtų labai mažą kiekį top trenerių per komandą, o ne 5+ 10pot pagrindinėje ir dar n kiekis jaunime.
Tai ir pavyzdžiai yra, jog top lygio treneriai neina dirbti į asistentus.
Na arba kalam NCAA modelį, kur komandoje 15 žaidėjų, 10 gauna "stipendijas" (kompensuojamos algos), likę 5 patys susimoka, o trenerių štabą sudaro 22 asmenys -- 96 S 20 d.

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2.2 3.3 a-darius

Okay, I see you're talking about coach limits, not training. It's a slightly different topic, but my idea is that there should be a good reason for restrictions and limits. If a team wants to have 40 coaches, it probably won't be a good team because it simply won't have money left for players. So, I'm not sure if there is a point to these limits.

When we introduced these limits, the game was entirely different. Over time, we created more ways to acquire new players and coaches, leading to limits that now only apply in certain situations.
I'm leaning towards removing these limits rather than embracing them. -- 96 S 20 d.

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2.2 2.1 smart0eddie

https://www.basketpulse.com/tw/Team/31880/roster
I'm not sure how many coaches are on his team
But he's definitely a strong team -- 96 S 20 d.

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1.1 2.2 ak904

I agree with limiting the number of coaches on a team. There are very few good coaches in the first place, and a few teams keep hoarding coaches, leaving other teams with less chance to get better coaches. -- 96 S 20 d.

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1.1 1.1 HeyHoudini

ak904, no limit needed, we see many irl top tier coaches in the world just signing contracts to be assistants for another top tier coach. (Sarcasm)
Also Darius said that hording all the best coaches just leaves these teams with NOT MUCH MONEY left for players... :)) Sadly in this game you cannot boost your finances to cover all the crazy salary a team would get.. -- 96 S 20 d.

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1.1 4.8 elprof

I'm not a fan of the skill decline at age 55 for the same reason I don't like the skill decline of players at age 30, it should depend on the individual. I understand it's probably easier to implement and regulate because it's a game, but having every single coach/player start declining at the exact same age still feels off to me.

Not to mention the human mind really doesn't deteriorate so easily. Older people learn less easily but they don't magically lose the mental skills they have, especially if they're using them every day. -- 96 S 20 d.

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1.1 1.1 nofixations

Gregg Popovic, Larry Brown, Phil Jackson,.... They surely started declining at 55... Weren't you looking for realism? ... I am fine with increasing training when younger. Not decreasing with age... There are other ways, get them decrease when fired/ when not playing.
An other thing, wasn't the plan to be able to trade coaches as well? -- 96 S 20 d.

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2.2 3.3 a-darius

We'll discuss limiting the number of players/coaches internally, but I'm quite skeptical about it. Essentially, it means spending additional time supporting some limits just to restrict a few teams. I believe there are many other areas where our efforts could have a better impact on the game.

smart0eddie:
Your example is a good one. Perhaps the issue lies not in the limit itself but in the compensation question. However, that's another topic, so let's discuss it separately at some point.

elprof:
This is one of the reasons why I want to introduce a "special skills" feature in the game. We could include more diverse skills, with one of them being the ability to extend a career longer. But with the current skills, it's quite challenging to create entirely different players/coaches. Of course, we could add randomness, but that probably wouldn't be well-received by the community. -- 96 S 20 d.

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2.2 3.3 a-darius

nofixations:
Come on, are you really suggesting that coaches can perform at the same level at 55 and 72? You highlighted a few of the oldest coaches in NBA history, but I don't believe we should shape the entire game based on a few exceptional individuals in history.
We should lean more towards "average" cases. Then, over time, we can consider including "extreme" cases with additional features such as "special skills," not the other way around. -- 96 S 20 d.

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1.1 1.1 nofixations

I can also name some ln Euroleague if you want.... Coaches are not like players - where physical condition gets indeed reduced. I can buy in to the fact that they can get their top level much younger - and then stop improving -but never reduce.
As how to translate to the game - i would simply get new coaches with new system and existing coaches with old system. This way the change will be progressive. -- 96 S 20 d.

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2.2 3.3 a-darius

If you ask a 72-year-old person if their mind was sharper 10 years ago, most would likely agree. So, I can't agree with you that a person can coach at the same level when they are 55 and 72.
Let's agree to disagree this time. ;) -- 96 S 20 d.

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1.1 4.8 elprof

I like this idea of special skills and having one of the skills be something that extends the coach's peak/career. Should also be random enough without feeling unfair. No more comments from me in that case, I will make due until everything is finished. -- 96 S 21 d.

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1.1 3.2 lunaro

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/awards/by-type/Coach-of-the-Year/9001 Seems like coaches peak closer to 60 than 50 but they don't regress until close to 70? -- 96 S 21 d.

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1.1 4.8 elprof

lunaro The average age of all the coaches of the year is roughly 50 though. -- 96 S 21 d.

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2.2 3.3 a-darius

I'm not sure how you concluded that the peak is closer to 60 and regression doesn't start until 70.

If I calculate the entire table, the "peak age" is even below 40. When I calculate the last 10 seasons, the peak age is around 54, which is more or less what I am thinking.

Determining regression is quite challenging. Many coaches likely retire a lot sooner, which is why we don't see many coaches aged 60-70.

I found another table that's a bit outdated:

https://weaksideawareness.wordpress.com/2011/11/24/average-nba-career-length-for-coaches-and-gms/

The point is that in BasketPulse, each coach can have an incredibly long career, while in reality, only a few can coach for that long. -- 96 S 21 d.

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3.3 3.3 coldmeow

a-darius Whatever changes you want to make, please keep the coaches who are still under contract now from being affected until the end of their contracts。 -- 96 S 21 d.

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1.1 3.2 lunaro

I mean the NBA only expanded to 30 teams in 2004 the early data of 30-40 yr old head coaches winning it skew the data a bit since the league was different back in those days. But most of these top head coaches get 10-20+ years of head coaching in their careers which won't happen if you start regression early at 50-55... -- 96 S 21 d.

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1.1 3.2 lunaro

" Many coaches likely retire a lot sooner, which is why we don't see many coaches aged 60-70." I mean 6 out of 30 head coaches in the NBA right now are 60+ I wouldn't say 20% is rare -- 96 S 21 d.

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2.2 3.3 a-darius

In BasketPulse, almost every head coach in the top league is above 60, not just 20%. If we narrow it down to coaches above 68, the difference between RL and BasketPulse is even more significant.

I'm a bit surprised why people try to convince me that coaching at 68-70 is normal. It's not, actually. People mention Gregg Popovich, but I don't agree that he's as good as he was when younger. The team's results in the past 4-5 seasons are at the bottom of his entire career. -- 96 S 21 d.

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2.2 1.1 superdzonis

In my humble opinion not Popovich coaching abilities are main reason for bad results :D -- 96 S 21 d.

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2.2 3.3 a-darius

superdzonis: As the club owner, would you prefer the current Popovich or his younger version? -- 96 S 21 d.

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2.2 3.3 a-darius

coldmeow:
We won't be able to support two different training systems. It would increase the cost and complexity of such a feature too much. I see three options here:
1. Implement it as planned.
2. Delay it for a longer time.
3. Completely shut down the idea.

To reduce the impact, we can delay the "degradation part" for a few more seasons. -- 96 S 21 d.

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2.2 1.1 superdzonis

a-darius to be honest 50 or 70 yo Popovich nothing would change drastically (maybe few wins difference). Results mostly depends of how good roaster you have.
Most obvious example this year in NBA

https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/willimo01c.html -- 96 S 21 d.

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Y 1 nofixations

How about being able to trade coaches as if they were players. Has this idea been forgotten? -- 96 S 21 d.

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4.1 4.4 Formatas

dariau, imam Eurolygą: Obradovič (Partizan) 63, Laso (Bayern) 56, Messina (Armani) 64, Ataman (Pao) 57, Itoudis (Fenerbakche) 57, Bartzokas (Olympiacos) 58, Scariolo (Virtus) 62, Mumbru (Valencia) 44, Grimau (Barcelona) 45, Maksvytis (Žalgiris) 46, Kattash (Maccabi) 49, Ivanovi (Baskonia) 66, Obradovič (Monaco) 54, Can (Efes) 43, Gonzales (Alba) 48, Pozzecco (Asvel) 51, Sfairopuol (Zvezda) 56, Mateo (Real) 54.

22% daugiau nei 60, 44% daugiau tarp 50-60, ir tik 34% vyresnis nei 40. 0% (!!!!!!!!!!) 30 metų ar jaunesnių. Buvusio žaidėjo vertimas ir iškart suteikimas trenerio žinių lyg jis 10-20 metų mokėsi iš vis būti treneriu yra visiška nesąmonė aukščiausiame lygyje. Tas pats Jasikevičius savo trenerio karjerą pradėjo būdamas 40 metų. -- 96 S 21 d.

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2.2 2.2 dwyane3

Trade/Lending players

-- 96 S 21 d.

Trading one of the TOP passers in the game.

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Lietuva.2.2	4 Place x 2
World League.2.2	7 Place x 1
National U16-2	Taiwan U16
National U18-2	United Kingdom U18
National U21-2	Australia U21
National Men-2	United Kingdom Men

Lietuva.3.4	7 Place
World League.2.2	16 Place
World League.2.2

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Dzolandas

Local name: Džolandas

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95 Season

94 Season

Club's information

Dzolandas

Local name: Džolandas

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95 Season

94 Season

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