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Start of negotiation	2022-11-25- 23:40
End of negotiation	2022-11-26- 01:17
Restrictions' level	10

Fung911

Elvinas Ramoška
Salary:	-
Contract:	School talent	Age:	16 y.
RT:	92	Height:	185 cm.
Potential:	8

Virtuozai

Utenis Obelienis
Salary:	28543 Eu
Contract:	1 S	Age:	26 y.
RT:	358	Height:	210 cm.
Potential:	1
Samsonas Kotelis
Salary:	-
Contract:	School talent	Age:	14 y.
RT:	26	Height:	186 cm.
Potential:	7

1.1 1.1 Fung911

Trade/Lending players: Fung911 & Virtuozai

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Team made a trade offer

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Player:

Started to play in a new team after a trade -- 90 S 27 d.

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Player:

Started to play in a new team after a trade -- 90 S 27 d.

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Player:

Started to play in a new team after a trade -- 90 S 27 d.

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1.1 1.1 Virtuozai

Trade offer accepted -- 90 S 27 d.

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Fair play committee

Trade has been reverted by the "Fair play" committee -- 90 S 29 d.

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Fair play committee

The Fair play committee decided that the trade is unfair and teams are given a warning. -- 90 S 29 d.

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Fair play committee

How the Fair Play Committee members voted: 
- volunteers voted "Revert and punish": 0 
- volunteers voted "Revert": 9 
- volunteers voted "Fair": 3 
 
These reasons were chosen by the volunteers during voting: 
6 - Salary drop (one or more useful players are exchanged for useless player(s) with the only goal to reduce salaries) 
3 - Suspicion that trade’s goal is to help one of the teams 
 
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1.1 1.1 Gudrioji Lape

What a nonsence, i am sorry - which is a useless player? Obelenis is high rt but only defensive type, for which i get a decent future prospect. Could fpc explain? -- 90 S 29 d.

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1.1 1.1 david1992

At least your trade got three fair votes, mine got all voted reverted and one of them even think I should get punished for trading a player who can only play one more season for a decent 7-pot. If the FPC think we should not trade ready-now player for school talents straight up, why give an option for users to spend credits to update the trade level that allows them to ignore the salary difference? If we add some useless player to match the salary, I think then the trade would’ve been voted fair, but what is the point of that? These useless players will be fired anyways and it only costs one of the team to spend more money on the compensation. Saving salary is one of the main goals in many trades. 7 and 8 pot players are useful players, especially in the NE that encourage teams to have a 12-men lineup, not useless at it is described in the “salary drop” -- 90 S 30 d.

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1.1 1.1 Gudrioji Lape

But then reasons are contradicting one another - salary drop vs suspicion to help other team -- 90 S 30 d.

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1.1 1.1 david1992

These reasons are confusing. Trade are supposed to help both teams, in this kind of trade, one team gets stronger in strength while the other team gets a future prospect to develop with and save money. It is a win-win trade, help not only one of the team but both teams, and saving is not the only goal here. I have stated this as my explanation for more than one time. -- 90 S 30 d.

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1.1 1.1 事出无常必有妖

Again: when the referee goes off to play the game, there is no fairness.

https://www.basketpulse.com/cn/Trade/information/1131224 before the deal, such deals are no problem, because the deal led to threaten a player (members at the same time he still FPC) upgrade, So he reported it. -- 90 S 30 d.

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1.1 1.1 史塔克

https://www.basketpulse.com/cn/Trade/information/1131551 -- 90 S 30 d.

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1.1 1.1 史塔克

Members of this FPC made a similar deal. He can do it, but we can't. -- 90 S 30 d.

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1.1 1.1 fungtys

https://www.basketpulse.com/cn/Trade/information/1131551
This trade is much much worse than the original trade. Half a season player has not too much trade value. Getting so many high POT youths is a robbery.

If FPC does not know how to determine trade values, just let them go. Do not damage the game. -- 90 S 30 d.

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1.1 2.1 grobuonis691

https://www.basketpulse.com/lt/Trade/information/1131226 -- 90 S 30 d.

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1.1 1.1 史塔克

I think these transactions are similar. One player can do it, so everyone can do it. The rules must be the same. -- 90 S 30 d.

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1.1 1.1 事出无常必有妖

Oppose double standards -- 90 S 30 d.

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1.1 1.1 fungtys

Agree that those should be allowed. If it is not one-sided, that two managers acquire different types of positive trade values, we should allow a trade, no matter they are friends or not. -- 90 S 30 d.

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1.1 1.1 Gudrioji Lape

What is pitty, that for full day no response from FPC... -- 90 S 30 d.

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4.5 4.6 dwyane3

As FPC members may not comment the decisions made, I would like to share the FPC reasoning behind the decision made.
Fung911 gets:
- A defender draft in standard salary with above average WL2 RT
- A 280 peak youth which is considered to be undervalued in WL2

Virtuozai gets:
- 336 peak youth which is considered to be future WL2 level
- 28543EU salary drop

Unless the 8 potential players has significantly worse inner potentials than the 7 potential players, the trade is unfair by the vote of FPC.
We would like to encourage the teams making the trades that may look suspicious to describe the reasoning of the trade when making it. By providing more information about the trade to FPC will help the committee to make a better informed decision. In addition, we are encouraging FPC to have a discussion prior making the vote so the decision made is well-discussed. -- 90 S 31 d.

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1.1 1.1 Gudrioji Lape

Well, i consider that 8pot is ok for wl1 + you can train as u want, so this is additional advantage. And center is quite specific -- 90 S 31 d.

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1.1 1.1 史塔克

Unless the 8 potential players has significantly worse inner potentials than the 7 potential players, the trade is unfair by the vote of FPC. Then why did you change 8 to 10 to pass? -- 90 S 31 d.

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1.1 1.1 史塔克

https://www.basketpulse.com/cn/Trade/information/1131580 -- 90 S 31 d.

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1.1 1.1 Gudrioji Lape

also, dear FPC, i have two players, with peak RT you consider to be too bad for wl1 - are they playing too bad?

https://www.basketpulse.com/lt/Player/2174811/description

https://www.basketpulse.com/lt/Player/2129166/description
I agree general FPC rule book would be needed. Potential 8 is very much fine for wl1 -- 90 S 31 d.

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1.1 1.1 david1992

And they can be much cheaper than 9 and 10 pot players, which is an advantage in the NE. I don’t know why FPC member often try to talk down 8 pots, even 7-pot can be useful in WL1. -- 90 S 31 d.

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1.1 1.1 fungtys

Banning WL1 to trade for POT 7 school kids is awful.
Maybe some FPC members do not trade frequently enough to understand trad values.
School kids are good and positive trading assets to help elite teams to save future salaries. -- 90 S 32 d.

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