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Müzakere başlangıcı	2022-08-31- 21:47
Müzakere sonu	2022-09-01- 23:54
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Magnificent Maniacs

	Mikalojus Strikulys
	Maaş:	-
	Sözleşme:	School talent	Yaş:	18 y.
	GS:	118	Boy:	197 cm.
	Potansiyel:	6
	Meng Qi
	Maaş:	-
	Sözleşme:	School talent	Yaş:	18 y.
	GS:	109	Boy:	194 cm.
	Potansiyel:	6
	Sai QIN
	Maaş:	-
	Sözleşme:	School talent	Yaş:	18 y.
	GS:	90	Boy:	212 cm.
	Potansiyel:	6
	ShaoChen Hei
	Maaş:	-
	Sözleşme:	School talent	Yaş:	17 y.
	GS:	86	Boy:	184 cm.
	Potansiyel:	6
	Gong Dak Geng
	Maaş:	-
	Sözleşme:	School talent	Yaş:	16 y.
	GS:	69	Boy:	193 cm.
	Potansiyel:	7

Hypoglyphs of Azkaban

	Boleslovas Medingis
	Maaş:	-
	Sözleşme:	School talent	Yaş:	16 y.
	GS:	98	Boy:	202 cm.
	Potansiyel:	9

1.1 1.1 Maniacs

Takas/Kiralık oyuncular: Maniacs & Hypoglyphs

-- 89 S 3 g.

Team made a trade offer

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Oyuncu: Mikalojus Strikulys

Started to play in a new team after a trade -- 89 S 4 g.

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+0

Oyuncu: Meng Qi

Started to play in a new team after a trade -- 89 S 4 g.

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+0

Oyuncu: Sai QIN

Started to play in a new team after a trade -- 89 S 4 g.

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+0

Oyuncu: ShaoChen Hei

Started to play in a new team after a trade -- 89 S 4 g.

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+0

Oyuncu: Gong Dak Geng

Started to play in a new team after a trade -- 89 S 4 g.

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+0

Oyuncu: Boleslovas Medingis

Started to play in a new team after a trade -- 89 S 4 g.

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4.5 4.3 Hypoglyphs

Takas teklifi kabul edildi -- 89 S 4 g.

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1.1 2.2 fungtys

FPC member, trading for POT 9 with these chips, seriously? -- 89 S 5 g.

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1.1 1.1 david1992

It’s okay, he is an FPC member, he can do whatever he wants and won’t be punished. And watch out, Fung, you may be reported by him and get warnings for commenting on his “fair” trade. -- 89 S 5 g.

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+15

wonderful deal，fpc can do whatever they want，it's no problem，the game rules -- 89 S 5 g.

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+11

This is a reward for FPC, FPC is working too hard, others don't report it -- 89 S 5 g.

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+7

Net ir man nepatinka tokios varkės. -- 89 S 5 g.

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1.1 2.2 Duranciokas

Nu cia graziai atiduotos visos siuksles prasivalymui ir pasimamas 9 potas ledinis xxdd -- 89 S 5 g.

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+20

Jei čia būtų CO, žolininkas ar koks šabas, prasukę tokius, jau būtų buvęs revert. Piniginės baudos ir t.t. :D -- 89 S 5 g.

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1.1 1.1 Cesarrr

How can this user be in the FPC? Amazing... -- 89 S 5 g.

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+12

Everybody complaining here. How manny of you filled the unfair trade form!? -- 89 S 5 g.

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I filled. -- 89 S 5 g.

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1.1 1.1 Cesarrr

Me too -- 89 S 5 g.

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2.1 2.2 lili112400

这个就是FPC干的事情？ -- 89 S 5 g.

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+7

1.1 1.1 david1992

I am too afraid to report him, that he will see my report and say I want to take a revenge on him. He is in the FPC, he is watching everything. -- 89 S 5 g.

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+12

1.1 1.1 keepsmile

以权谋私的家伙，滚出FPC -- 89 S 6 g.

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+10

1.1 1.1 CoachM0329

Any decision on this trade from FPC? Seriously, it will affect my willingness to invest real money in this game if this kind of issues could now be fixed shortly. -- 89 S 6 g.

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+7

1.1 1.1 CoachM0329

*not -- 89 S 6 g.

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+7

Does anyone know his potentials?

https://www.basketpulse.com/lt/Player/2456067/description -- 89 S 6 g.

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1.1 1.1 CoachM0329

健彈速韌 2c 2m 3 籃破防I 運助攻I 經
-50% +5% +11% -10% -40% -40% -19% -10% +5% +20% +10% +97% +21% -- 89 S 6 g.

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+7

Whatever the inner, that's a problem, right，8pot， concern about inner is no problem，but this is 9 ，taller -- 89 S 6 g.

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2.1 3.1 ulipulido

Next jokic -- 89 S 6 g.

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Y 6 Intelygentas

Basın mesajı federasyon gönüllüsü veya başkanı tarafından gizlenmiş -- 89 S 6 g.

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+3

Y 6 Intelygentas

super. kaip tik šiandien bendravau su kolega, iš nesakysiu, kokios valstybės, tai jį iš universiteto užbanino dėl to, kad jis darbi metu buvo Meksikoje. Savanoriai, sveikinu, jūs pasiekėte dar aukštesnį lygi nei Lukašenkos pakalikai. Žemai lenkiu galvą... -- 89 S 6 g.

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Fair play committee

Takas döndürüldü -- 89 S 6 g.

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Fair play committee

The Fair play committee decided that the trade is unfair and teams are given a warning. -- 89 S 6 g.

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Fair play committee

How the Fair Play Committee members voted:<br />
- volunteers voted "Revert and punish": 0<br />
- volunteers voted "Revert": 7<br />
- volunteers voted "Fair": 2<br />
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These reasons were chosen by the volunteers during voting:<br />
4 - Suspicion that trade’s goal is to help one of the teams<br />
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3 - Other reasons. Volunteers wrote explanations: <br />
--- Not a resonable trade for a FPC member<br />
--- unbalanced trade. its not a lottery<br />
--- FPC has reverted similar trades in the past for managers. If this is the standard for fair trades then it must be the same for all managers.<br />
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1.1 1.1 Cesarrr

- volunteers voted "Fair": 2
Whats???? XD -- 89 S 7 g.

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1.1 1.1 david1992

Not surprised. But don’t try to do something similar, Cesar, our team would already be closed if we do a trade like this. And watch Maniacs doing another “fair” trade and being voted fair later. -- 89 S 7 g.

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2.2 3.1 timmy296701

TBH I really doubt if the "experience" and "knowledge" of these two FPC members are good enough to make the correct judgement for the future reports. Only "unfair" reasons are given but not for the two "fairs". How can we "Clubs' managers are invited to have respectful discussions with the fair play committee about: what actions should be considered fair and what - not fair" after we see this non-sense? -- 89 S 7 g.

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1.1 1.1 WelkinLiu

It doesn't seem surprising to me that Maniacs initiated this trade for personal gain (since he's both a referee and an athlete, a topic we've discussed), but there are two other FPC players who voted "fair", which is even more surprising disappointment. This shows that there are two other people among the FPC members who do not know what is fair or unfair. Even I think it is possible that this is not the reason for "experience" or "knowledge", but FPC members are helping each other in teams, hoping that the game management department can review these members.
Maniacs 为了私利发起发起这笔交易在我看来并不意外（因为他既是裁判又是运动员，这个话题我们讨论过），但是另外还有两名FPC玩家投出了"公平"，这更加令人失望。这说明FPC成员中还有两个人不知道何为公平或者不公平。甚至我认为有可能这已经不是"经验"或者"知识"层面的原因，而是FPC成员在结队互相帮忙，希望游戏管理部门能够审查这些成员。 -- 89 S 7 g.

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投公平票的那两个，滚出fpc -- 89 S 7 g.

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2.1 3.4 Intelygentas

we all live in a yellow submarin, or mayby in a "Animal Farm" (George Orwell), but who cares... -- 89 S 7 g.

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2.2 4.4 Frankebasta

i would add that, according to Admin's word, FPC members who vote against the common judgement will be ousted and replaced.... this is exactly what the community here wants to see.
FPC members who help each other to cheat the system they should be out of power positions, if not outright penalized for bring part of a clique which we all know goes back to the original insitution of FPC -- 89 S 7 g.

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3.4 3.3 a-darius

I try to review votes in “hot” topics. And when I see that some FPC members votes are based on “nationality”, we remove FPC members or even spots for the whole federation.

In most cases trades are not only “white” or “black”. So from the administration’s side we never discuss concrete trades. We trust and respect FPC decisions.

Also I would like to remind you of one change in FPC that has been done a few seasons ago. Before then FPC was reverting a lot of trades with the reason “unbalanced trades”. That was highly criticized by the community and at that point we removed this option.
So currently on similar trades FPC could vote fair and that would be OK. And that happens a lot.
More information about this:

https://www.basketpulse.com/en/News/article/61cd85e5b407f/information-about-the-fpc

But I want to point out another problem.
I have one question for david1992 and to all those members who give him “plus”:
Can you show me one example of similar trades where teams were banned from the game?

I am sure that this is not possible. I give bans myself and I double check every time before banning. If I have some doubts I would rather let possible cheaters play than ban innocent users.
In this case - users have no connections at all. So there are zero chances to be banned in a similar situation.

So basically you are spreading lies and conspiracy theories here.
I do not know if you are doing this on purpose or if you was miss-informed by someone before. Either way that is not OK. Please stop doing this. -- 89 S 7 g.

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1.1 2.2 fungtys

The two main points of our discussion are (1) What are the two votes of FAIR" ? (2) Maniacs as FPC member, has been caught not the first time, trading recklessly.

I am happy with the decision of "revert" but no punish. However, his next time should be removed from the FPC immediately.

None here cares much about david1992 talking about banning. It looks like picking chicken bones from an egg. FPC has been giving votes "revert and punish" on trades more sensible than this trade.

To conclude, trades conducted by FPC members should be more self-regulated, rather than more freely, than the most normal players. -- 89 S 8 g.

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1.1 1.1 david1992

Dear a-darius,

I don't know why you are targeting me under this discussion while ignoring some questions including mine under other topics like:

https://www.basketpulse.com/en/News/article/630f24095221c/coaches-and-training-updates

https://www.basketpulse.com/en/News/article/62bae5d10e91d/match-engine-update-roadmap
I am really curious about the question asked by bicaas about the "unlucky shots" during the game, so please answer it when you have time.

Concerning the "conspiracy theories" spreading by me here, well, I was trying to be sarcastic with a bit of exaggeration, you can see my first comment here said, "Maniac is an FPC member and he can do anything". Do you think I really feel like this is fair trade? Am I not surprised that there are some other FPC members who voted fair? Similar to what fungtys just said, my point is this trade is unacceptable, it should be reverted 100%, and maybe the users involved should be punished, but I can see FPC members are being cautious and voted “reverted only”. It is like I said, "I can kill a man without blinking an eye" and you ask me "ain't your eyes dry?" LOL. Anyways, I know not everyone can get my sarcasm and exaggeration, so if you think I am making untrue comments about you, and you feel offended, I apologize, but I am not trying to spreading lies, conspiracy theories, or anything like that.

And let's talk about this trade in a more serious way. I can get that trades don't have to be perfectly balanced to be ruled as fair, and everyone can view a trade offer differently. However, this trade is heavily imbalanced, I don't see any points that an FPC member can vote fair. For example, you can argue that LeBron James is better than Michael Jordan and he is the GOAT of basketball, though I will disagree, I can see your points of argument. However, if you are saying Lonzo Ball is the GOAT of basketball, I will really doubt that you have watched any basketball games. Back to the topic, I really doubt the FPC members who voted fair in this trade are really qualified to stay in the FPC, including Maniac who proposed this trade, whether they really don't know how to judge a trade or they tried to help out other users. They are all experienced players in this game, they should know this kind of trade is unacceptable and harm the game environment. -- 89 S 8 g.

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3.4 3.3 a-darius

I cannot answer every question. That is simply not possible.

I think you still missed what I wanted to say. I will try to explain again:
The community was not happy that FPC reverted many “unbalanced” trades. And because of that FPC got recommendation from administration TO NOT revert trades only because they are unbalanced.
After that moment you could see a lot of more “unbalanced” trades voted as fair. Also from that moment you can see more meaningful “reasons” in FPC decisions as FPC cannot simply choose “unbalanced” almost every time.
From that moment we got a lot less criticism towards FPC. So I believe this was a good decision.

I don`t think that grobuonis is a cheater.
I also don't think that FPC members who voted fair in this case are not fit for the position. Especially when the administration asked FPC to allow unbalanced trades a few seasons ago and especially when these are not nationality based votes (not from Lithuania)

About conspiracy theories.
These things lead to the next time someone may decide to target another member of FPC publicly. There is a line between sarcasm and deliberately filling gas into the fire.
I don't agree that publicly attacking someone is the right thing to do. That does not make the BasketPulse more fair. More likely, it is the opposite.

I also don't agree that FPC has more “freedom” compared to other users. I think it is the opposite - everyone is looking at FPC. Quite often they are attacked in restricted market for being in FPC. Quite often they get reports only because they are FPC.

You also are forgetting that FPC are volunteers, not hired employees.
Sometimes they have different opinions. Sometimes they do trades. Sometimes they make mistakes.
If you press FPC in that manner - you will not have better FPC - you will have worse, because no one will want to be in FPC.
During the long history of the game we have lost a few great volunteers because of the pressure from the community. This is why I try to avoid such harsh attacks as much as possible.

You also are forgetting that China also has FPC member.
This is not an easy job, and the community makes it even harder instead of helping.

Do you really want to help to make this game more fair?
Then start with selecting active FPC members from your community and discuss your concerns privately with your FPC representatives first. It would be more efficient for everyone.

Thank you for understanding. -- 89 S 8 g.

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Actually, offers from users to catch and replace FPC members who voted FAIR in Grobuonis case are totally unrespectful. The offer to remove Grobuonis from the committee is damaging. When users who are always "fishing" for trades pushing for care institute member replacement is a very bad environment. Overall it's very difficult to see when the same persons permanently reporting the trades, but they do a lot of unbalanced trades as well. And finally, they are complaining if a trade is reverted and complain if other trades are not reverted. Some users have zero consistency, they like to complain about everything and all the time.
Another part of the members is like pests. They catch negative waves in the game and try to influence them. Like

Intelygentas who 21:00 sent a conference about very bad FPC work and how FPC can't do a solution in the obvious case. But FPC decision calculates is only at 23:30 (Lithuania time). He all the time does similar things to reduce respect for the committee. I think this behavior is on purpose. As I said he is like a pest. (other communities have similar users too).
P.S. I voted revert and warn because, in my opinion, this trade was too much unbalanced.
P.P.S I 100% support and trust Grobuonis. FPC members have to have the possibility to "fish" with trades. As well they have the possibility to get a revert from FPC. -- 89 S 8 g.

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1.1 1.1 Gudrioji Lape

guys, stop wasting time - FPC did their job well this time and thats it. -- 89 S 8 g.

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Y 6 Intelygentas

Mirza (kadangi užtaginai pirmas turiu teise ir aš) ar esi skaitęs “Gyvulių ūkį”? Jei ne paskaityk, ten kaip tik ir kalbama apie tai kaip vienos rūšies gyvūliai nusprendžia įvest taisykles, kurios draudžia juos kritikuoti, nors šiaip aiškina, kad visame ūkyje demokratija ir tolerancija absoliuti. O kol skaitysi aš einu paskaityt taisykles ar jos tikrai draudžia komentuoti ką nors pagal valandas… -- 89 S 8 g.

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2.2 3.1 timmy296701

Now I am wondering if the comment calling player “pest” will be removed. For your easy reference, nazi called Jews as “cockroach” and Japanese called Chinese “pest” in NanJing. So Mirza are you interested in genocide and Dehumanizing? :) I am looking forward to an explanation for this comment. -- 89 S 8 g.

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Gizli cevapları göster: 47

2.1 3.4 Intelygentas

He can’t understand what you wrote… -- 89 S 8 g.

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timmy296701 no bad intention from my side. No political mind in my text, no relation to any genocide. I just mention one Lithuanian user who behaves dirty and consciously mislead other users. -- 89 S 8 g.

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1.1 2.2 fungtys

Dehumanizating people of calling them"pests" is simply awful. Please stop it.

All love and respect for Lithuanians who speak out. Nationality should not divide us in this topic. Also, one bad FPC member cannot represent the other FPC members. In this trade, I express my greatest gratitue for the ones who voted "revert". Thank you for all your morality and dignity. -- 89 S 8 g.

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+6