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Début de la négociation	2019-06-05- 15:40
Fin de la négociation	2019-06-05- 15:51
Niveau de Restrictions	7

Funes BB Club

Ubaldas Pavliukevičius
Salaire:	14170 Eu
Contrat:	2 S	Age:	24 ans
RT:	256	Taille:	194 cm
Potentiel:	10
Elvio Franco
Salaire:	11830 Eu
Contrat:	4 S	Age:	19 ans
RT:	144	Taille:	195 cm
Potentiel:	9

jinzhijia

Lie Mei
Salaire:	18529 Eu
Contrat:	1 S	Age:	32 ans
RT:	305	Taille:	219 cm
Potentiel:	3

8.48 Funes

Échange/Prêt de joueurs: Funes & feishe

-- 70 S 17 j.

Le club propose une offre d'échange

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Joueur:

Le joueur évolue dans son nouveau Club suite à un échange -- 70 S 17 j.

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Joueur:

Le joueur évolue dans son nouveau Club suite à un échange -- 70 S 17 j.

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Joueur: Lie Mei

Le joueur évolue dans son nouveau Club suite à un échange -- 70 S 17 j.

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feishe

Offre d'échange acceptée -- 70 S 17 j.

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Comité d'Éthique et du Fair-play

Échange annulé par le Comité d'Éthique et du Fair-play -- 70 S 21 j.

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Comité d'Éthique et du Fair-play

Le Comité d'Éthique et du Fair-play a jugé que cet échange est inéquitable et les deux clubs ont reçu un avertissement. -- 70 S 21 j.

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2.1 3.2 fourkings

Yes, it's a fair game. It's very much like an arbitration by a committee that likes“Fairness”.Should I applaud you? -- 70 S 21 j.

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8.48 nacho_uni10

Im ok with giving two average players (one is old with bad skills and no xp, the other one could be better trained) for one old guy to help me get as high as possible, a move which would cost me a lot more money... I offered you 10 trades before this one would have said the same with the others ? .. and I even liked this trade, but if commitee believes it's not fair, why I should be punished ? All in all, the trade canceling hurt me too my.chances to fight for promotion, I was thinking on sending my young players to youth team with the space created and hiring one more good old man. Now the chance is gone too -- 70 S 21 j.

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Y 2 chuan

Without absolute fairness trade, we should respect the wishes of both sides -- 70 S 21 j.

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Y 2 chuan

It's hard for both sides to decide which side is more valuable, such as the League promotion. -- 70 S 21 j.

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2.1 3.2 fourkings

Before the deal, I had received an offer from the Argentine manager, who offered attractive terms, but I dared not make the deal. You can also ask the Argentine manager what I said to him. -- 70 S 21 j.

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2.1 3.2 fourkings

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2.1 3.2 fourkings

https://www.basketpulse.com/cn/Trade/information/949195 -- 70 S 21 j.

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草猪委员会嘛干出啥事情都是正常的 -- 70 S 21 j.

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RaZeev

This deal would set a bad precedent case for future cases. Trading two players with perspective (9 and 10pot) and good contracts for one old player on a 1 season contract is clearly unbalanced. Not by extremely much, but the offer was lopsided as it was. Not reverting a trade like this would set a problematic precedent case where other teams would trade very good young talents for an old player on a 1S contract. Feishe himself fired the player after the trade was reverted so this tells me quite a bit about his value for him.

As to the motive of reaching Top16, this is not really for us to judge. We can sanction cases like this if this should happen regularly in the future, but assuming it now would be overreaching. Considering the player Funes traded for would have only had value for 2 or 3 games at all would, by the way, have been an even more outrageous idea considering what he put on the table for it.

In the committee we stated more than once publicly that you can always ask us before offering/accepting a trade and we will answer in a very short time frame if we think the deal is unproblematic. Also, there is always the possibility - even after a reverted trade - to adjust the offer and make the trade happen still. -- 70 S 22 j.

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Good explanation in a difficult case. -- 70 S 22 j.

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feishe-bot

https://www.basketpulse.com/cn/Klubas-aprasymas-34965.htmMaybe you're right, but have you ever thought that if you cancel the deal like this, Funes will benefit the most. Not only did he use the deal to achieve the goal of the top 16, but after that, all the young players will return to the team. You will make him very happy, so I'm disappointed with the fpc. You're terrible. -- 70 S 22 j.

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feishe-bot

Ariel, you mentioned the word difficult, why is difficult, because you all know the transaction there is no cheating, so you give me the explanation is to prevent cheating, I do not accept, do you know the purpose of the deal, he is a legitimate transaction, you just cancel the transaction for some political reasons, and as a team manager, what did I do wrong, but I received a good deal to the team, as the two sides of the deal, why funes obtained huge profits, and all the loss to be assumed let me a person, this is obviously unfair, -- 70 S 22 j.

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8.7 叶修

双方都有利的交易都能被撤回，真是半点都不能见得中国玩家好啊 -- 70 S 22 j.

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I´m not the person to answer that question, but what i do know is that Razeev (and probably all the FPC) works to make this game better, I have had a polemic trade cancelled by the FPC previously season, I remember feeling upset and harmed, but I have the chance to talk to some members of the FPC and I saw the other side of the story, they make mistakes of course, it would be important to define and adjust the FPC rol in the future and to guarantee at least some experience in their members, but for me is definitely a significant improve as it was before FPC exists. -- 70 S 22 j.

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RaZeev

If certain communities would work harder to act against cheating behavior (like farm teams that serve the purpose of aquiriing players fir the main team) we as the FTC would be able to be a little less strict in looking at trades. As it is however there is quite some cheating behavior in some communities (which we are already working hard against), so we have to act more strictly. -- 70 S 22 j.

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RaZeev

Puppet teams like a certain "King's Avatar" is stringly suspected to be, by the way. : ) -- 70 S 22 j.

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feishe-bot

It is clear that you are targeting China. I am very disappointed by your reply. There are bad people in every community, including your own. -- 70 S 23 j.

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feishe-bot

As a member of FPC, if you cannot treat every transaction fairly and fairly, then you cannot do this job well, which is why you cannot cancel players' trust. I am sorry for your reply, you hurt all Chinese people. -- 70 S 23 j.

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RaZeev

Last comment from me on this one, then I suggest you move on:

Never targeted the Chinese Community specifically in what I said, that is your faulty interpretation. I speak of "some communities" on purpose. Everything else is just you being bitter. -- 70 S 23 j.

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feishe-bot

Razeev I didn't misunderstand you, you speak, has been fully expressed, you'll be players of different regions have different law enforcement standard, for some area to get very loose tube, and some area is very severe, this fully shows that law enforcement unfair to you, you have a very serious racial discrimination, I hope you can take the initiative to quit the FPC, because we need some fair FPC, you have not such a person, you have a very serious racial discrimination, you has different standard law enforcement. Of course I will continue to move forward, I will not be entangled in this trade, and lose the continued strength of the team, I will be more and more strong. -- 70 S 23 j.

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No where in RaZeev comments did he specifically call out the Chinese, he was calling out all communities. Quit with the ridiculous reports of “discrimination”. -- 70 S 24 j.

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feishe-bot

TheCoach I don't know if you are aware of the role of the fair alliance. When I click on the fair alliance, the first sentence I see is this: the fair competition commission is made up of enthusiastic volunteers from different countries. The main purpose of this committee is to maintain the fairness of the game, then razeev very clearly expressed his will according to different areas use different law enforcement standards to determine whether the trade fair, could you tell me how to to such a person to maintain the fairness of the game, I want to ask what do you think of this matter, I also want to ask razeev why want to use different standards to law enforcement, why can't we treat every trade fair, this has nothing to do and which district, each transaction should be independent, I hope more people can participate in discussing the question, after this happened, a member of the FPC apologized to me, That he made a bad vote to cancel my deal, which is great, but he's not razeev, and I want razeev to come out, and I want him to come out as a man, and everybody should be held accountable for what he said, what he did, and not hiding like a bitch. -- 70 S 24 j.

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RaZeev

I do wonder what you are referring to, feishe. In no comment did I say that we use different standards for different trades. Where do you read that? It seems that either you misunderstood what I wrote or you WANT to misunderstand what I wrote. What I did say is that there is cheating behavior we have uncovered and keep uncovering (in several different communities), and to avoid this behavior now and in the future we have to be strict with trades IN GENERAL. This is all I said. So why do you want to read something else there? And why start insulting me as racist and as "hiding like a bitch"? Why are you so mad? Or afraid? Or what is it? Go ahead and tell me. I don't get it, except that I feel that you are purposely insulting and trolling me. -- 70 S 24 j.

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feishe-bot

Can you stand up again, this is very good man, funes use trade stand on the stage of the 16, and then with the help of you, to take back his young players, funes without any loss of completed his transaction purposes, and I just received a good deal for the team, but loses to analyze 1045 credit points on the player's skills and potential, you must give me a way, -- 70 S 24 j.

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Feishe, I doubt anyone will be able to completely understand what you wrote, but I think I believe I understand what you are trying to state. Maybe if you understood the process it will help you.

1) two teams make a trade
2) trade is registered in community data base
3) some community member sees the trade that they do not like, and they can report it. This can be reported that day, or it could be 7 days from when the trade was done.
4) Members of the FPC get notification of the reported trade where they then discuss and make decisions. This could take 1-6 days.

So in your case, the reason why the trade was not reverted sooner is that it had a process to go through, some go through quick, some take time.

It is the risk/reward for trading.

Also, I concur with RaZeev was saying. Basically it is this: If every member did what was the "right" thing and we didn't have members the chose to make themselves and their communities (all communities) look bad, there would be no reason for a FPC. However that is not the case and their are many teams out there that have are cheating or have been cheating (35 teams closed this season for this behavior and in my opinion it should be close to 80), the FPC needs to look at trades in a careful manner that will make it difficult for cheaters to cheat.

Most here in the community are naive at the amount of cheaters nor have the comprehension to understand how it is getting done, so they often reach out and complain about the FPC, likely due to being naive, new, gullible, or they only care about themselves and do not see the big picture.

In the end, one person does not revert a trade or allow a trade, it is a group of members, Shanire included (Kick Ash was there as well until questionable behavior had been reported).

None of us in the FPC agree with every decision that has been made. You can either deal with your emotions about the FPC, or you can just move along and quit the game. The FPC is not going anywhere Feishe.

Best Regards -- 70 S 24 j.

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feishe-bot

I will not back down, I will not actively close my account, you can close my account, before you close my account, I will continue to push out this transaction, until you can have a cancellation of the transaction after the work. -- 70 S 24 j.

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"you can have a cancellation of the transaction after the work" What are you trying to say Feishe

:D -- 70 S 24 j.

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Back down? Back down from what?

What are your plans Feishe? To make a big deal in the press conferences :D :D You think that will make something?

Fine Feishe you have three options
1) keep typing and likely end up getting banned
2) quit the game itself
3) accept the response given and take it all in, try not to create a false narrative of the facts and try not to assume things that you don't know the facts but try to speak as if you do. -- 70 S 24 j.

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There is nothing to back down to, because there is nothing to stand up to.

It appears that maybe you are just trying to stir things up, stating lies and false narratives twisting the truth what we call gas lighting. Are you trying to get others to try to complain too? It won't do anything.

Try to see the big picture, try not making everything about you. -- 70 S 24 j.

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feishe-bot

Well, let's go back to the trading, funes in order to more powerful in the premiership, so he is going to make a change, he chose to use young players in exchange for help his players, in this deal he got really want, but I just accepted a favorable offer to the team, this is a win-win, you give me the initial explanation is that prevent cheating, so do you, in the purpose of the transaction between the parties, who cheated, -- 70 S 24 j.

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7.37 打酱油的国王

为了限制中国玩家，你们真是辛苦了，毕竟国际1.1联赛都要变成中国联赛1.1了，再不组建委员会阻止，以后国际1.1就彻底变成中国1.1。像委员会敬礼，你们是这个世界上最公平的委员会。 -- 70 S 24 j.

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feishe this has already been addressed,

But if you feel the need to discuss it with yourself, please feel free to do so. -- 70 S 24 j.

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feishe-bot

没办法，中国太强大了，只能用盘外招了， -- 70 S 24 j.

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feishe-bot

Thecoach you don't want to come back it doesn't matter, so we'll leave the trade in the news section and let all players see how you work, see how FPC is if a win-win deal is withdrawn, for me, one or two young players don't matter, I don't care, -- 70 S 24 j.

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8.7 叶修

硬实力打不过我们中国，就用这些旁门左道的阴谋诡计，真替你们感到丢人 -- 70 S 24 j.

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feishe-bot

让我们来看看，这个因为公平被恢复交易以后，发生了什么，funes失去了强硬的内线，他继续了寻找内线之旅，还是那两个筹码，可是，非常遗憾，他没能再完成一笔交易，16强的比赛也以4胜10负的战绩结束了，而feishe呢，由于已经从青年队调上来了一名内线，lie mei已经没有了位置，只能裁掉。这本来是双赢的交易，被pfc搞砸了，造成了双输的结果，而我们却没有收到pfc的道歉，我们需要一个说法。 -- 70 S 63 j.

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我一直在寻找答案，这样一个完美的交易，为什么会被判定违规，从两支球队经理上线时间和使用语言，都不难看出，这不是同一个人的球队，双方的交易目的也是十分明确的，一个为了保级甚至有可能8强或更高名次，付出年轻的球员，换取自己缺的球员，这是干净的交易，如果管理者对于交易，只是考虑交易主体的价值，而忽略掉保级或者升级的压力，这是不正确的。 -- 71 S 6 j.

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feishe-bot

看到最近两个立陶宛球队的交易，我不得不想起这笔交易，这是多好的交易啊，有人得到了即战力，依靠这笔交易，成功打进了16强；而另一支球队得到了未来，这本来是非常棒的双赢交易，可为什么我却收到了警告？ -- 77 S 2 j.

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达摩克利斯之剑

因为你不是立陶宛人 -- 77 S 2 j.

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7.37 打酱油的国王

我们应该移民去立陶宛就不会被取消交易了。We should immigrate to Lithuania so we won't be cancelled. -- 77 S 2 j.

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1.1 1.1 史塔克

Y ou are not a Lithuanian -- 77 S 2 j.

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mokytojas

Kadrai !!! -- 77 S 2 j.

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1.1 2.1 Kipras_Justas

Oh yes. Of course you are the hurt ones. -- 77 S 2 j.

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fpc本身就不是一个公平的联盟，我们不喜欢他们，并不是因为他们把我们的交易搅黄了，而是因为同样类型的交易，有些人的被警告了，而有些交易却通过了，这是非常搞笑和无奈的事情，他们对待交易的态度，往往会因为不同国家的玩家而有所不同，这就是所谓的公平联盟？ -- 77 S 3 j.

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ゞ☆火麒麟☆ゞ

https://www.basketpulse.com/cn/Trade/information/999648 It is reasonable for the same young people to trade veterans. We Chinese players will be revoked -- 77 S 4 j.

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ゞ☆火麒麟☆ゞ

这两起交易有什么不同意义？在我看来都是一样请问FPC 你们是怎定义的？
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What's the difference between these two transactions? It seems the same to me. How do you define FPC? -- 77 S 4 j.

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1.1 1.1 史塔克

Too dirty! -- 77 S 4 j.

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1.1 1.1 史塔克

Too dirty! -- 77 S 4 j.

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