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Start of negotiation	2022-09-23- 15:25
End of negotiation	2022-09-23- 16:29
Restrictions' level	9

Fung911

Adelmo Penedo
Salary:	7048 Eu
Contract:	1 S	Age:	18 y.
RT:	149	Height:	190 cm.
Potential:	7

ITS DAME TIME

Hezekiah Hackman
Salary:	11807 Eu
Contract:	1 S	Age:	26 y.
RT:	348	Height:	189 cm.
Potential:	1

1.1 1.1 Fung911

Trade/Lending players: Fung911 & IDT

-- 89 S 26 d.

Team made a trade offer

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Player:

Started to play in a new team after a trade -- 89 S 26 d.

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Player:

Started to play in a new team after a trade -- 89 S 26 d.

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IDT

Trade offer accepted -- 89 S 26 d.

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Fair play committee

This trade was reported as unfair. However, the Fair play committee decided that this trade is fair. -- 89 S 27 d.

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Fair play committee

How the Fair Play Committee members voted: 
- volunteers voted "Revert and punish": 0 
- volunteers voted "Revert": 3 
- volunteers voted "Fair": 6 
 
These reasons were chosen by the volunteers during voting: 
3 - Suspicion that trade’s goal is to help one of the teams 
 
-- 89 S 27 d.

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1.1 1.1 事出无常必有妖

Is this fair? OK, then future transactions can follow this standard. -- 89 S 28 d.

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Seriously?
a 350RT for a pot7 GUARD!

if it is permissable, then what can i get for a pot7 C?

https://www.basketpulse.com/en/Player/2409875/description

not worth mentioning that Fung911 had multiple trades rescinded only a few days ago
(supposedly a warning was issued too) -- 89 S 28 d.

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Why do I need pg with 65 health and one season with cheap contract left. Not to mention I'm starting rebuild. This guard is not that good, but still I free up the salaries to have more money to bet on free market and also get 7 pot which I might use in other trade. Whats the problem? U are not analyzing situation, just looking at pot ant RT. This pg is also nothing special, you can have the same level pg, maybe even better with 300 RT if trained properlly.
P.S. He was available like for 3 weeks and noone show any interest. So whats the problem? -- 89 S 28 d.

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Frankebasta-bot

"P.S. He was available like for 3 weeks and noone show any interest. So whats the problem? "

There are several problems:
1- "Why do I need pg with 65 health and one season with cheap contract left"
if you don't need a player, you must cut him. Trading him to a lower league team is illegal as in "helping a team".
That was stated many seasons ago. Strong players, especially on cheap contracts, should not be traded to lower leagues because that trade will favor a specific team.

2- "Player from Drafts can't be traded until the first contract ends"
this is still the official wording both in the "help" / "rules" page, as well as in the wording of "Restrictions' level 9" limitations. I still don't know why it's been allowed

3- "but still I free up the salaries to have more money to bet on free market "
"This pg is also nothing special, you can have the same level pg, maybe even better with 300 RT if trained properlly"

here, yourself are admitting the trade is illegal.
All trades must benefit both teams.
You just admitted to this trade being a salary dump (which is illegal), and the incoming player bringing nothing to your team (which is illegal)

4- the manager you traded with, mantas3223, has been "warned" only a few days ago. Multiple time, for multiple trading violations. It's unbelievable he can still trade without any restriction. -- 89 S 28 d.

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I dont understand, why u keep crying. So the reasons I mentioned is not benefitial for my team? What are u talking? And why its not allowed to drop salaries? U can ask experencied users for their opinion and I bet most of them would say, that this trade is just fine. U cant trade draft players only first season, the next u are allowed too. I see no crime in this trade. Seems fair to me. -- 89 S 28 d.

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He did not get it for free. He sacrificed his 7 pot. We both ended up with a benefitial trade and get what we wanted. -- 89 S 28 d.

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Frankebasta-bot

" U cant trade draft players only first season, the next u are allowed too"
yes, you are obviously _allowed_, by the FPC
but in the WRITTEN rules, it is prohibeted.
So much for FPC as the defensor of the rules of the game

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Trades' rules that must be followed and respected by all users:

2) Players' trade somehow has to benefit both teams (financially, in respect of team composition, etc).
You can trade a good but expensive player to a bit worse but cheaper player. You should not overuse this type of trade.

rules says: "a bit worse". The player you received is not a bit worse, nor it will ever reach a similar RT in the future.
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"4) You are not allowed to just give away the “unnecessary” players to other clubs (you are not allowed to make any gifts, etc.). If you want to get rid of a player, you have to fire him."
you just told us that this player was "unnecessary" to you. You should have get rid of him by cutting him.
Says the written rules!
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Last but not least:
"Using defects, bugs or other mistakes in the game for your own advantage is also considered to be cheating. After noticing it, you should tell the administration about the bug, so they could fix it."

the fact that you _can_ trade a drafted player in its own first contract IS A BUG, until it is written otherwise in the rule book.
Ignorance of the rule by FPC is not a good reason to cheat the system.
(btw, nobody other than fungtys claimed that the rule allows for this kind of trade)
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Finally:
"7) If some trade is clearly unfair, the administration keeps the right to punish the club, even though it obeys the rest of the above rules"
which means, all is up to the judgement of Admins -- 89 S 28 d.

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Well, u need to understand that RT is not the only indicator about how good player actually is. It depends on skills and experience a lot. Salary, health and contract is also important.
I dont think its a bug. It was always like that. Its not a gift. They are at the same level, cuz health is important too, if u dont understand... U wont change the FPC decision anyways :D If u wanted this "superstar" pg u could let me know, maybe we could make a deal for your 7 pot. -- 89 S 28 d.

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Frankebasta-bot

"It was always like that"

factually not true.
The official rule book of the game says otherwise.

I wonder why the Moderators of this Forum let your messages to appear for everybody to see, because you are spreading lies.
Which is one more offence punishable by the game Admins -- 89 S 28 d.

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Funny, how desperate u are to find a reason for this trade to be unfair. :D Why then it wasnt fixed. I dont know if u saw it before but in trade page u can click draft player if he played atleast one season before... U really just said its clearly unfair trade? :D I dont think I should continue discussion as u keep talking nonsense. Peace... -- 89 S 28 d.

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