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Pārrunu sākšana	2019-05-28- 18:02
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Iron Maiden BC

Jin Zhuang
Alga:	12333 Eu
Līgums:	1 S	Vecums:	25 g.
RT:	252	Garums:	219 cm.
Potenciāls:	6

Ionios

Sebastian White
Alga:	9178 Eu
Līgums:	2 S	Vecums:	22 g.
RT:	202	Garums:	218 cm.
Potenciāls:	9

1.1 1.1 Iron

Maiņa/Aizdotie spēlētāji: Iron & Ionios

-- 70 S 9 d.

Komanda izteica maiņas darījuma piedāvājumu

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

Spēlētājs: Jin Zhuang

Uzsāka spēlēt jaunajā komandā pēc maiņas darījuma -- 70 S 9 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

Spēlētājs:

Uzsāka spēlēt jaunajā komandā pēc maiņas darījuma -- 70 S 9 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

1.1 4.5 Ionios

Maiņas darījums tika akceptēts -- 70 S 9 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

Godīgas spēles komiteja

Maiņas darījumu atcēla Godīgas Spēles komiteja (FPC) -- 70 S 11 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

Godīgas spēles komiteja

Godīgas Spēles komiteja (FPC) nolēma, ka šis darījums ir negodīgs un abas darījumā iesaistītās komandas saņēma brīdinājumus. -- 70 S 11 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

1.1 4.5 spapa

Please explain to me why it is unfair? -- 70 S 11 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

2.2 1.1 duanmu

+1 -- 70 S 11 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

2.2 4.4 Frankebasta

it is fairly obvious: there is a TRADE EMBARGO between those 2 countries.
No Trades allowed.
BasketPulse is following suit -- 70 S 11 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

2.2 1.1 duanmu

Soga -- 70 S 12 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

RaZeev

White is not worth the other player at all. He has bad potentials and skills. No such thing as a trade embargo between any two countries. -- 70 S 12 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

2.2 4.4 Frankebasta

In Real Life, I spoke in jest -- 70 S 12 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

RaZeev

ahh i understand -- 70 S 12 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

1.1 4.5 spapa

Can anyone tell me why the trade was reverted? I am benefitted the first years and then the benefit goes to my trades' partner. Where is the foul? -- 70 S 12 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

1.1 4.5 spapa

I think that the fair play committee has the purpose to protect the game from cheating.
Now there is a trade, that I still don' know for whom it is unfair! I don' t know at all my trade partner, he is not even from my country... I have not analyzed any of the two players and I take the risk to accept the trade hoping that I'm giving my young 9 potential player in order to make my team stronger for next year, instead of waiting for him to grown up!
WHERE IS THE CHEATING???? -- 70 S 13 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

2.2 8.41 Haris

It's only not cheating when the main players from 1 & 2 International Leagues make trades, get used to it :) -- 70 S 13 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

Wilt100

RaZeev stated it already. While on the face of it, it looks as an alright trade, White's potentials and skills are a complete misfit for his position. Therefore, his value is significantly lower than it could be told from the outside.

Trades where one team gets significantly higher return/value than the other are reverted to protect from potential cheating -- 70 S 13 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

2.2 8.41 Haris

Still sounds like a lot of BS to me, maybe one team needs a perspective C and other team wants to get stronger?

the chinese guy has 1 season contract with 6 potential whilst the american has 9 potential is 3 years younger and has 2 season contract.

these speculations of who's cheating and who isnt sounds pretty silly to me...
think yall should spend more time on improving the game design etc. instead of rejecting trades like that. at the end of the day managers should be allowed to make good and bad decissions thats how they learn. -- 70 S 13 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

gedunex

you need to get on the same page with darius, fp committee members.

Darius - new skill system encourage people to have different type of players, i we like to see that.

later...
FP committee - bans the trades for trading different kind of player because somehow committee has their own standards for players and even they make "value" of the players them self.

i am sorry, but i bet that, all teams has at least one player whom are misfit of their own position, that does not mean that people can not trades these players, nor that they are useless for somebody.

Did you made the same assumptions when superdzonis traded with JNU?

and the last point, not pretend that you know what is the value of these players for both teams, especially when the owner gives you bulletprove points plus if Both managers are happy with trades, what can you ask more? -- 70 S 13 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

ocbc6 always nice to hear your opinion on cheating ;) -- 70 S 13 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

1.1 1.1 HeyHoudini

cactusjack - he asked opinion on this trade by his family members who also play this game :) -- 70 S 13 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

1.1 4.5 spapa

I have no internal potentials. What I do know is that
my player will end with a much higher rt than the one I traded for,
My player is already a better defender,
The Chinese player is better in offence and for 2-3 years he will be a more useful player.
I ask again WHERE IS THE CHEATING???? -- 70 S 13 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

1.1 3.3 Movida

It is useless to continue the discussion. the committee has decided and does not go back to the decision. ask the committee for clarifications ... -- 70 S 13 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

1.1 4.5 spapa

I want an answer... I just don' care about the trade itself. As I said before, I thought a lot before accepting the offer because I was afraid I was giving too much, so maybe it' better for me. But...
Now, I learn that I "seduced " the one who plays in the 2.x international league who is the one that made the offer! And this because of the internal potentials of my player (which I was not aware of, and thank you informing me that he has very bad of them).
I think that the committee has to check for cheating and protect some new managers from being deluded, but it turns out that they judge randomly, based just on their personal opinion! -- 70 S 15 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

Wilt100

You were not punished, the trade was simply reverted and you are free to arrange a new, more balanced trade. There was one trade already this year which was reverted, however, later allowed after modifications to the offer were made.

We aim to revert unbalanced trades even between totally unrelated teams to not allow a precedent take place. So this action, as you argue, indeed prevents from cheating cases.

About internal potentials, do you really need to see exact potentials to understand which skills have -40/-20% inners? You had the player for 3+ seasons, no need to pretend. -- 70 S 15 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

1.1 4.5 spapa

I understand what you say, but I want you to explain to me why you think the trade is so unbalanced. My opinion is that I'm the one who takes less ( in the long term). And in the first place I thought that it was reverted baceause I'm "stealing" and that was the opinion of the manager of the team where the Chinese player is currently playing as borrowed. -- 70 S 15 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

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1.1 4.5 spapa

When we are making trades and we don't spend credits to analyze the players, the known facts are just the general potential and the general skills, you cannot revert trades for unknown facts like internal potentials and exact skills! -- 70 S 15 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

1.1 4.5 spapa

And I say again that I'm not complaining for this specific trade because I wasn't sure I wanted to accept in the first place, but it makes me mad that you reverted a BALANCED trade! -- 70 S 15 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

1.1 4.5 spapa

And if someone analyzes every trade where a 9 or 10 potential player is involved, I bet most of them would have bad inner potentials! -- 70 S 15 d.

-- (Tulkot) (Tulkot EN)

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