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CB CUCALÓN

Angel Viau
Alga:	14000 Eu
Kontraktas:	4 sez.	Amžius:	27 m.
VK:	282	Ūgis:	215 cm.
Potencialas:	3
Casimiro Pidrola
Alga:	12515 Eu
Kontraktas:	2 sez.	Amžius:	27 m.
VK:	273	Ūgis:	210 cm.
Potencialas:	7
Yun On Auyeung
Alga:	-
Kontraktas:	Mok. talentas	Amžius:	16 m.
VK:	63	Ūgis:	196 cm.
Potencialas:	7

Vancouver Whalers

Jayden Bones
Alga:	21410 Eu
Kontraktas:	1 sez.	Amžius:	24 m.
VK:	296	Ūgis:	210 cm.
Potencialas:	10

1.1 2.2 CB CUCALÓN

Mainai/Žaidėjų skolinimas: CB CUCALÓN & Whalers

-- 91 sez. 8 d.

Komanda pateikė mainų pasiūlymą

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Žaidėjas: Angel Viau

Dėl įvykusių mainų pradėjo žaisti naujoje komandoje -- 91 sez. 8 d.

-- (Versti) (Versti EN)

Žaidėjas: Casimiro Pidrola

Dėl įvykusių mainų pradėjo žaisti naujoje komandoje -- 91 sez. 8 d.

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Žaidėjas: Yun On Auyeung

Dėl įvykusių mainų pradėjo žaisti naujoje komandoje -- 91 sez. 8 d.

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Žaidėjas: Jayden Bones

Dėl įvykusių mainų pradėjo žaisti naujoje komandoje -- 91 sez. 8 d.

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1.1 3.2 Whalers

Mainų pasiūlymas priimtas -- 91 sez. 8 d.

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1.1 2.2 mikecuc

Bones's contract is only for this season and for extending the contract is asking 39,6K for 2y and 49,5K for 5y.
At this point, as Whalers can't afford that salaries, he decided to minimize the impact and trade the player for other players that are very usables since now in WL3.
That's why I'm including one Center (Viau), one PF (Pidrola) and a school promise (Auyeng).
Viau: 12 7 12 12 4 2 10 10 5 2 8 8 10
Almost 11 in exp and expecting to go to 8 in speed at the end of next season. Health inner +65% (+3% extra train)

Pidrola: 12 8 12 12 5 2 9 10 5 2 6 8 10
Expecting to be 10 in rebound around day 32 and to be 10 in speed around day 40 of next season. Health inner +85% (+3% extra train) -- 91 sez. 8 d.

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2.1 1.1 mantas3223

... -- 91 sez. 8 d.

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1.1 2.2 mikecuc

As said above, the trade is simple. Two good C/PF for WL3 and WL2, and a young promise with good potentials for being a good 3pointer, for one better player that is in his last year of contract and the extension is not affordable for his current manager. Instead of letting him go, he's trying to obtain the bigger compensation with long term players to consolidate his team in WL2. -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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1.1 3.2 lunaro

It's not financially viable for anyone except WL1 to keep their own scouted 10 pots :) thanks for fixing the market/economy -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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2.1 1.1 mantas3223

I see this exchange as unfair to other managers and the community as a whole. Yes, the centers will help him and give him more benefit than that 10 pot atm, but you have to understand the other side of this trade, when an elite player is too easily obtained. Other managers invest in scouts or sacriface few great prospects to get extra class player when trading. This one is an obvious robbery (2 average wl2 centers + 7 pot). U have a lot of great prospects, sacriface atleast one good 8+ pot player, dont be miserly, u get extra class player. Ofc, I dont know about the 10 pot inners or skills, but its clearly unfair and hope fpc does their job.
In addition, its Whalers problem with his contract, I'm not saying HE cant trade his players, just the deal has to be fair for both sides. Why HE extend this player

https://www.basketpulse.com/lt/Player/2315266/description for 5 years 35k if HE has bad finances and upcoming extension for his own player, just let him go....
In conclusion, I'm not jelous, but u get an advantage over other managers who try their best to reach the top. Be willing to give something interesting back. :) -- 91 sez. 9 d.

-- (Versti) (Versti EN)

1.1 2.2 mikecuc

Here you are the inners:

Potentials of skills
H Jmp Spd Tgh 2c 2m 3 Reb CS DIQ Drb Ast OIQ Exp
+34% +8% +2% +70% -20% -43% -12% +10% +41% +18% -18% -45% -45%
He's a low-post defender, with bad close-range and OIQ inners -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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1.1 3.2 lunaro

How does signing a 5 year extension on a sign and trade have anything to do with not being able to spend 50k on my own scouted 10 pot? -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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2.1 1.1 mantas3223

Its still a 10 pot, it looks unfair to me. Yes, u are right about that extension and it has nothing to do with this trade. What I meant, is that this trade is unfair for other users, because a 10 pot player is obtained too easy. -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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2.1 1.1 mantas3223

The inners is not perfect, I agree, but for my personal opinion, it has to be atleast 8 pot in this 7 pot youngster place, so it could be fair. Lets wait fpc decision, maybe I'm wrong. -- 91 sez. 9 d.

-- (Versti) (Versti EN)

Y 1 mikecuc

Viau inners, much better despite being a POT 7 in the begining
Potentials of skills
H Jmp Spd Tgh 2c 2m 3 Reb CS DIQ Drb Ast OIQ Exp
+65% +15% +10% +20% +60% -40% -40% -10% Avg -10% -50% -10% -10%

Pidrola inners, being a POT 8 in the begining
Potentials of skills
H Jmp Spd Tgh 2c 2m 3 Reb CS DIQ Drb Ast OIQ Exp
+85% +10% +5% +25% +20% -30% -30% -10% -20% -10% -20% -5% -20%

Both much better for a scoring C/PF than Bones' inners

What do you think that is more useful for a team: a top center + bad center for 50K vs 2 good and long-lasting centers for 35K?
Don't let that 10 POT blind you... -- 91 sez. 9 d.

-- (Versti) (Versti EN)

2.1 1.1 mantas3223

Bro, I'm experienced user, Ik the importance of inners. I'm not blinded by the number 10, but its clearly unfair trade. 3 7 pot players for 10 pot... Let the community vote, maybe I'm the only one who thinks this way.
Like the comment guys! -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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2.1 1.1 mantas3223

It is a fair trade -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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2.1 1.1 mantas3223

It is not a fair trade -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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2.1 3.1 ulipulido

Depends mantas, maybe whalers didint recieve a better offer than this. I do not understand why FPC has to decide in experience users trades. Whalers knows better than you what is better for his team -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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2.1 1.1 mantas3223

U dont get my point of view, as I said, I believe 10 pot obtained too easily. Yes, it is benefitial for Whalers, but its a cheap move by Spain team. Nwm, lets wait fpc decision and explanation... -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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2.1 1.1 mantas3223

He was complaining about inners, but -20 is not a big deal for a 10 pot player and as it seems the player alreeady has this skills. The only concern is offence. But still its more of a defensive type of a player. So the inners is not awful and can be elite player in wl1. -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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1.1 2.2 mikecuc

Mantas, you perfectly know that scouting has a randomic factor and there are many managers that investing 0EUR obtained a 10POT player. I've invested a lot of in scouting without that kind of luck instead of paying big salaries (usually more than 150K per season), just have a look to my team and see how many players from scouts I have. Probably I'm jinxed, but the players obtained in scouts, if my teams (first, youth and schools) are overbooked, are very usable for trading purposes if the other manager thinks that those players suit in his team. -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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1.1 4.3 Lipinski

There are many managers who find 10POT with 0 Invest?
Now you're exaggerating a little bit. xD
Show me three, then I believe you.
So far my highest find was POT8 and it had pretty bad inners. ;(
But maybe I'm jinxed too.

I find the trade but not unfair btw. -- 91 sez. 9 d.

-- (Versti) (Versti EN)

1.1 1.1 Zolininkas

Mantai, o pries ka cia nesaziningi mainai? Abu susiderino sutiko, tai nelabai suprantu, ka jie cia nesaziningo daro? plius kad uz 1 zaideja, gauna 3 . Tai cia 100proc mainai praeis, ir cia yra tuscia diskusija -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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2.1 1.1 mantas3223

Nu gal, bet mano nuomone čia pigiai prasisuko. Aš suinvestavus virš limono jau ir negavau nei vieno 10 pot, kad suprastum kaip sunku yra gauti tokį žaidėją, aišku ir sėkmės reikalas tame. Mano mintis buvo, kad vietoj to vargano 7 pot, turėjo nepagailėti ispanas bent 8 pot, kai perpildyta pas jį mokykla ir jaunimkė, tada +- būtų sąžininga. Jiems abiems gal ir gerai, aš tikiu. Gal aš ir klystu, bet gauti 10 pot žaidėją už 3 varganus 7 pot, kuris bus elitinis wl1 lygiui, neatrodo kaip šąžiningi mainai kitų vartotojų atžvilgiu ir konkurencijos principu. Nžn gal perdedu, bet palaukim fpc verdikto. -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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2.1 2.1 Šabas

Nematau ko piktintis , vienas matė kad kitą sezoną super talento neišlaikys tai pasiimė ką gali šiam sezonui . Kitas atidavė mažiau reikalingus žaidėjus už ateitį. Kas negerai win win. O kad kažkas kažko norėjo ir kažko negavo čia jau panašu į asmenines ambicija sir problemas . Nesažiniga kai vienas tyčia padeda kitam traukdamas už ausų čia to nėra . Abu kažką gavo. Taigi problemos aš nematau. -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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2.1 3.1 ulipulido

Hi mantas, I understand your point of viene, but, did you offer something better? I mean, maybe whalers didnt recieve any better offer. I do not understand why FPC need to work in trades between experience mánagers except in cheating cases. And this not look that case. In NBA we ser everyday strange trades that sometimss we do not understand, but both teams knows what is better. Is different a trade with a newby -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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2.1 1.1 mantas3223

Na žodžiu, tiesiai šviesiai galim įvardinti, kad pasinaudojo susidariusia situacija ir pigiai pasiėmė elitinį žaidėją, gal ir nėra čia kriminalo. -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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1.1 2.2 mikecuc

lipinski, the one i have as an example is this one:

https://www.basketpulse.com/es/Player/2405811/description
Also, only between the spanish people i heard at least 2 more in the past, but can't remember the managers.
Well... maybe my "many" may be changed by "several", but for me, that have not obtained a 10 POT, 3 are many... ;) -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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1.1 1.1 Zolininkas

tai protingai kad iskeite ta 10pot, nebutu islaikes jo. Tokie centrai desymkes realiai tik wl1 komandoms. net nezinau ar apsidziaugciau toki patraukes, ar apsiverkciau:D -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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2.1 1.1 mantas3223

Kad protingai, tai taip. Bet ar tie 3 žaidėjai atstoja 10 pot? Mano nuomone, nelabai. Nei čia man reikia to kanadiečio, nei ką, tik tiek, kad pagailėjo atiduoti daugiau ispanas, tame ir problema. -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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1.1 2.2 mikecuc

mantas3223, I did not felt sorry for giving more. All the players in my school were available for making a 3x1, and Whalers chose the one he wanted. Could he choose another one? Yes, but he thought that Auyeung was the best for his plannification. -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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2.1 1.1 mantas3223

Okey, no problem, bro. Atleast now I know 3 7 pot players is enough to get 10 pot, thanks and let's stop this pointless debate. -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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1.1 4.3 Lipinski

So lets close this ;) -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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2.1 1.1 mantas3223

Yes, have a nice day everyone! :) -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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1.1 2.2 mikecuc

Nice day guys!! :) -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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Rodyti paslėptus atsakymus: 36

1.1 1.1 Cesarrr

Good people here! -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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Sąžiningo žaidimo komitetas

Buvo pranešta, kad šie mainai gali būti nesąžiningi. Visgi Sąžiningo žaidimo komitetas nusprendė, kad šie mainai sąžiningi. -- 91 sez. 9 d.

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Sąžiningo žaidimo komitetas

How the Fair Play Committee members voted: 
- volunteers voted "Revert and punish": 0 
- volunteers voted "Revert": 0 
- volunteers voted "Fair": 13 
 
These reasons were chosen by the volunteers during voting: 
 
-- 91 sez. 9 d.

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