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Derybų pradžia	2020-12-26- 21:33
Derybų pabaiga	2020-12-26- 23:52
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Ukrinų „Mėšk Žviers“

Vacys Kelmelis
Alga:	26810 Eu
Kontraktas:	1 sez.	Amžius:	37 m.
VK:	338	Ūgis:	218 cm.
Potencialas:	7
Benius Vilkas
Alga:	2002 Eu
Kontraktas:	1 sez.	Amžius:	21 m.
VK:	165	Ūgis:	215 cm.
Potencialas:	6
Shou Jie
Alga:	8295 Eu
Kontraktas:	3 sez.	Amžius:	19 m.
VK:	134	Ūgis:	200 cm.
Potencialas:	10

TYDEAS BC

Sai Men
Alga:	56675 Eu
Kontraktas:	1 sez.	Amžius:	30 m.
VK:	345	Ūgis:	216 cm.
Potencialas:	8

Ukrinai

Mainai/Žaidėjų skolinimas: Ukrinai & TYDEAS

-- 79 sez. 20 d.

Komanda pateikė mainų pasiūlymą

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Žaidėjas: Vacys Kelmelis

Dėl įvykusių mainų pradėjo žaisti naujoje komandoje -- 79 sez. 20 d.

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Žaidėjas:

Dėl įvykusių mainų pradėjo žaisti naujoje komandoje -- 79 sez. 20 d.

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Žaidėjas:

Dėl įvykusių mainų pradėjo žaisti naujoje komandoje -- 79 sez. 20 d.

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Žaidėjas:

Dėl įvykusių mainų pradėjo žaisti naujoje komandoje -- 79 sez. 20 d.

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1.1 4.5 TYDEAS

Mainų pasiūlymas priimtas -- 79 sez. 20 d.

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1.1 4.5 tydeas

He propose me, he wanted a Class Center with expirrience that go waist in my league, i needed a youngster , Vilkas is indifferend , everybody gets what he wants, no connection between the teams -- 79 sez. 21 d.

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Sąžiningo žaidimo komitetas

"Sąžiningo žaidimo" komiteto sprendimu mainai buvo anuliuoti -- 79 sez. 21 d.

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Sąžiningo žaidimo komitetas

Sąžiningo žaidimo komitetas nusprendė, kad šie mainai yra nesąžiningi ir komandos yra įspėjamos. -- 79 sez. 21 d.

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Sąžiningo žaidimo komitetas

How the Fair Play Committee members voted: 
- volunteers voted "Revert and punish": 0 
- volunteers voted "Revert": 6 
- volunteers voted "Fair": 3 
 
These reasons were chosen by the volunteers during voting: 
2 - Overuse of disbalanced trades. Players' trade somehow has to benefit both teams (financially, in respect of team composition, etc). Good but expensive player can be traded to a bit worse but cheaper player. This type of trade can not be overused. 
3 - Suspicion that trade’s goal is to help one of the teams 
 
-- 79 sez. 21 d.

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1.1 4.5 tydeas

YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT YOURE DOING IN THIS GAME. Suspicion for help????????? Who by who ???? Disbalanced trade ?? the trade was helpfull for both teams, I really think that you are interested about your teams mostly and you don't deserve to be in the committee -- 79 sez. 21 d.

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3.3 4.1 Katuks

Spaudos konferencijos žinutė paslėpta (federacijos savanorio arba administratoriaus) -- 79 sez. 21 d.

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1.1 4.5 tydeas

l don't talk with loosers, go play with your kindergarden in WL 4 -- 79 sez. 21 d.

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+10

1.1 4.5 tydeas

I WANT SOME SERIUS ANSWERS , what and for what reason ?? Different countries, no relations between the teams , both exierienced users, who's play the GOD in this game? -- 79 sez. 21 d.

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https://www.basketpulse.com/en/Trade/information/1022333

https://www.basketpulse.com/en/Trade/information/1022325
First of all good evening/night from me. I am a new user of this game in comprasion with you here. I want to talk you about some things. Do you want my opinion? This trade was cancelled righthly but very hard for me , it was slightly beyond the ''limits'' that you have. And now I am answering to the question of Tydeas , who is the GOD on this game?
Do you want to listen the truth? THE MONEY rules this game. Could you see the trades above? They are rediculous as far as the RT and the wages. But why the fair play committee (hahahaha fair play ) doesn't cacncel them? Cause Lithuanian and Chinese users here are the crucial majority of players of this game and you don't dare to disagree or to refuse them something. But what can you wait from admins that care only about money and you show it with many ways in game,only the guys that give constantly money have possibility here to do something and these two countries honor you...I do not blame anyone but first of all make the game really fair and after create fair play committee. These 2 trades were random.I am sure that if someone searches every day he could find many chinese and lithuanian teams do things like that but not you found wrong this one trade....
Good night and merry christmas...and if you want my opinion if Greece would have 1000 users and you get money from the majority that satisfy you probably trades like that would have no problem...
If you don't want other countries you could tell us to leave... -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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Hollywood

This trade seems pretty fair to me. Tydeas 8 potential C for a 10 potential big pg. Both max out at roughly to same rt. Other two guys are throw-ins. Gotta side with Tydeas on this one. -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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Hollywood

Neither reason given by the fpc applies to this trade. Both teams benefit, so both reason 2 and three are irrelevant to this deal. -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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Hollywood

So what is the real reason this was reverted? This is very concerning. I think the fpc system needs to be examined and altered. Composition of the committee needs to be diverse and rotated often. There should be a way to appeal decisions like these. Ive seen to many good managers leave the game over stuff like this. -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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7.64 8.59

I have an advice for next similiar trades. If I were FPC member, I will ask these questions for my self: Is there possible that Evinelis would work for Tydeas? Did both sides get what they need?
Each manager has his strategy. Yes, Evinelis "bought" center for a very high price. But that was his decision, he bought for this price, because he couldn't get same level player (what he needs) for cheaper. -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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1.1 2.2 spikot

I also think that reverting this trade is completely unfair to both participants! In this situation, we're 100% sure that the two managers have no connection and they're experienced enough to choose what they think that is better for their team (even if that is wrong according to the FPC). Please rethink about reverting such trades (I have noticed similar situations in several trades). Managers that have no connection and are experienced enough should be able to trade following their thoughts about team needs. -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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2.2 3.2 joancrumor

Almost all of us wanted a committee because for a long time there were big traps, now we complain because I consider that the committee does a great job and if it is reversed it is for some reason. The teams can make another trade that conforms to the law, here almost everyone likes to protest and they are usually the same users -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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7.64 8.59

Joancrumor, you are right. Also, I forgot to say: these managers could do their job too. They could understand, that these trade will look suspicious. They could discuss with FPC before this trade, also they could give more information.
One of my trades were investigated, but FPC did a good job. All of members told, that trade were good.
Now we see, that 6 members think, that something is not good with this trade (voted for revert). Trade is good enough for 3 members. That's close case. -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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1.1 4.5 tydeas

Μan youre not expierienced enough to players and the needs in that level, both teams even i am WL2 untill now are TOP TEAMS and you simply don't understand what our goals are, what is strange in your mind is completely normal for others, there are lot of members in FPC that can't understand trades in that level. IAM NOT against the FPC but i can't stand excuses like suspicious for helping eachother or disballance trade .The definition of the committee in those cases is that you can trade a expensiv good player for other but not many times. Youngters usually is a good add to this kind of trade , rest is for much the economical criteria. -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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1.1 4.5 tydeas

i was refered to ioancrumor not to Darius -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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Take money money money for everything and create fair play committee , that's very fair -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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Gražiai čia bachurus atkele. -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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1.1 2.1 Kipras_Justas

Why do you think that if a player is in a lower league than yours, he has no clue about this game? -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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Palme

Good point kid! Too bad that it is not the case wit you :( -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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Stormtrooper

joancrumor - you are talking about the law, but nobody break the law, as it is written in "restricion level". And the FPC work is based mostly on personal opinions, but tehre is no law written in this case.

Kiperli :) It makes a lot sense, that players who haven't played in highest leagues can't understand some details of this game, as every single league level has different criterias to take into count.

In general I would see this FPC decision comming before the trade, as I see how they works. But I must admit that I do not see something very bad in these trades. When you play in high leagues you do not have so many options to chooose from. And we all know that it's two expierenced and not related clubs. -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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Jeigu aš tapčiau prezidentu tikrai nebūtų kad nieko neveikciau. Man Lietuvos FPC nariai atsiskaitytu kaip prabalsavo už tokius cirkus. Iš anksto mūsiškių nenurasau bet jeigu. Kartoju jeigu mūsiškiai čia taip pjauna ir ypač top bachams kaip evinelis tai galbūt reiktų pamąstyti apie kitą komiteto sudėti. -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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2.2 3.2 joancrumor

tydeas: I think we all know each other around here, I have some experience in the game to say that if the trade is reversed then FPC will have their reasons, but we continue to complain about everything

Stormtrooper: by law I was referring to rules or whatever you want to say but the game progresses and many are still stuck at the same point, many looking at the navel
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It is so difficult to understand that this is a game and that everything cannot be perfect, or or at the first difficulty we break the toys -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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evinelis

Well, I think it is time to say something for me
I'm not going to complain about revert, I don't undertand why, but it is a part of game and it is how FPC is working.
But I want to talk about things what happened (basicaly not happened) after this revert. Because I didn’t understand why the trade was canceled I wrote same msg for all members of FPC and asked what was wrong with this deal (it was done a little bit later than 00:00 game time). So far I got answers from only 5 members, so I think it is incompetence (if you have no explanations for your decisions) or maybe prejudice (if you don't want to explain your decision) against one of us (tydeas or me or maybe both of us).
FPC should help and explain such cases in order to help managers next time not to do such mistakes in trades, but now I just was ignored and have no clue what was wrong and how not to make same mistake next time. I want more sincerity and openness from FPC members, not just blind judgment -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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1.1 4.5 tydeas

Kipras_Justas i didn't say that teams for lower level don't know the game. But for sure they don't know the needs and the strategy of TOP TEAMS. Youre never expierience Highlevel players and you can't imagine why a really good player , or really good coach deserve that kind of money. When you play in WL1 YOU DO ANYTHING to stay in that league because the benefits are enorm compere to WL2, Now tell me you really knew that? you know the incum of the WL1 teams? you knew the real value of my player ?? NO YOU DONT -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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Kiprelis? Xddd kiprelis just know how to reach bottom every season it is just like rytas Vilnius. -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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2.2 3.2 joancrumor

evinelis: FPC has 12 users, 9 users reverts the trade, 6vs3 and 5 users answer your letter asking for explanations. Maybe they don't answer because it's not their job, they already do a great job reviewing many trades. I agree that FPC should be more transparent for the good of the community -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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evinelis

joancrumor after trade revert I got automatic msg where is written: "If you do not understand why, please contact the members of the Fair Play Committee: {Link}" I did that, but there is answers from only 5 user (2 vote unfair, 2- fair, 1 didn't voted). Why 4 managers who voted unfair couldn't explain their choise (I think it is their job only for that msg I got) -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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1.1 3.2 Petrovic

I am not a member of the committee, but my opinion is that this exchange is unfair.
Player for player is fair, but salary for salary is not.
36000 times 56000, this means - 20,000 per week for tydeas and is reason enough to cancel the transfer.
If a player's salary of 56,000 cannot be paid, it is best not to sign it.
Im sorry, im think this -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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Stormtrooper

Petrovic - salary restrictions is controled by trade restriction levels. -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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Rodyti paslėptus atsakymus: 37

1.1 2.1 Kipras_Justas

Tu irgi CO nemates top tier playeriu( pas tave tik Anilioniai visokie) -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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2.2 3.2 joancrumor

Other problem trade restriction levels -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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Kada tas Anilionis buvo? kaip pradine mokykla baiginejai o dabar jau bernas visas bet smegenų kaip nėra taip nėra. -- 79 sez. 22 d.

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