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Charleston Southern Buccanee~1
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Information about the progress in the system of Drafts and images in our Facebook: 
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Very smart give a link to FB page, but that link back to basketpulse :D
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1.1
Are the sort of players right? (e.g. 23yo, pot 1, RT ~300-400 for wl1)
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My only hope is there will be more bigs than in this example
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If the club is promoted to a higher league and participates in the draft of that league, is it considered as the bottom team of that league?
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It says here that if you promote, you get at least top13 pick 
https://www.basketpulse.com/en/News-read-5f8b52a26851b_Game_update__new_Scouts_system.htm
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https://www.basketpulse.com/en/News-read-5f8b52a26851b_Game_update__new_Scouts_system.htm
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And what about teams demoting? Where would they draft?
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2.1
As someone already asked, will all the new players have potential 1???
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saruman, Hollywood: Now we have only “ready-now” players. In the future we will have youth talents with high potentials as well (possibly this season) bloomis: Demoted teams will participate in drafts of the new league. The drafts position will depend on draft points.
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I take it as a "yes"...potential 1 is quite depressing anyway, you take the player but you practically can't improve him...
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1.1
Sooo is anyone going to try drafts this season?
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@ bananajohn Not if there aren't any quality young players
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This wasnt intended to equalize the divisions?
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I think that difference between high and low divisions will increase... Also big countries like Lithuania or China will become stronger and small countries will die...
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Can you show an example of the skills of 1 or 2 of these "ready to play" draft prospects?
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1.1
Curious how youth sponsors will view these players. Will they get sponsored based on 50/100/150 like market players or will they be treated as scouted players?
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Aš tai kaip, visada nk, nesuprantu baisu kad liksiu be Draft'ų., reikia kažkokius wishlist susidaryti nk, nzn.,
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As tai neperku zaideju rinkoje, nes nezinau ka gausiu is Draftu. Bijau, kad tik klaidos nebuciau padares
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Aš tai perku bet nrnuperku 1 /72 tai laukiu Draft'ų kaip išganymo
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End of international season is too late. For users who don’t connect a lot, or just has something to do in the week end, if they change of WL it’s unfair... they will get unwanted player ...
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Slamgot, I agree with you.However we cannot simply move the teams to new world leagues earlier, because of the financial operations. Teams would get more(or less) from sponsors in the last week and that would create even more problems. -- 78 S 56 Dia
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I just want to clear up couple things:
1. I move to higher wl next season so I will have to make my wish list in drafts only on 63 day (after 02:00) untill what event? 63 day 11:15 event?
2. Would I have possibility to see 1wl draft players when it will appear after 57 day's 05:00 event -- 78 S 56 Dia
1. I move to higher wl next season so I will have to make my wish list in drafts only on 63 day (after 02:00) untill what event? 63 day 11:15 event?
2. Would I have possibility to see 1wl draft players when it will appear after 57 day's 05:00 event -- 78 S 56 Dia
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Drafts event takes place:
1st day (10h-17h).
Exact time of your pick will be known:
63th day 11:15
So you will be able to update your wish list from
63th day 02:00 until 1st day (your pick time)
For those who got special invitations they will have few hours less
2. Would I have possibility to see 1wl draft players
Yes, players are visible to everyone. -- 78 S 56 Dia
1st day (10h-17h).
Exact time of your pick will be known:
63th day 11:15
So you will be able to update your wish list from
63th day 02:00 until 1st day (your pick time)
For those who got special invitations they will have few hours less
2. Would I have possibility to see 1wl draft players
Yes, players are visible to everyone. -- 78 S 56 Dia
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So in the scenario I am in, where I will finish 23 or 24, I get no consideration that I promoted only this season, and barely stayed in the league. Now here comes 6 new teams from where I did and they will get at least 13th pick? Where will my pick be? If no consideration is given then the system is already flawed.
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->TheWizardKs, the system is already flawed because there is no system on how this game develops, every decision made by admin is because he wanted to, it not about what is good for game , or even logical to do, it's about what he does want. If given advice there's ALWAYS excuse why he can't do it, but when he want to do it is all good, and fair. if you want to play this game without a headache just deal with it.
By the way this update took about a year, and in the mean time they could made game engine far better, made more tactics, made decent requirements for skill levels, like 12 to 13 would took 1000 points , 13 to 14 took 1200 not 2k , so more people would reach for those levels. what the point of new players, while the old players suck already and there's no variety in the game? :) -- 78 S 57 Dia
By the way this update took about a year, and in the mean time they could made game engine far better, made more tactics, made decent requirements for skill levels, like 12 to 13 would took 1000 points , 13 to 14 took 1200 not 2k , so more people would reach for those levels. what the point of new players, while the old players suck already and there's no variety in the game? :) -- 78 S 57 Dia
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WTF are these playees in WL5 and WL4??? No one has future or could be useful... While in WL1/WL2/WL3 there are so many players that can be picked in lower divisions there aren't good players. Distance between big teams and small teams will increase... ABSOLUTELY DISLIKE!
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Well in wl1 i also do not see any player based on skill set that would be helpful to survive 8-9 athleticism is not ok at all. Also heights are not usefull, although i could justify that at least. Also price for analysis should be lower for draft players not to be the same as for opponents teams players
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Can GM add a button to block all draft players？ because none of them is what I need, and I need to click 33 times
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1.1
Will players from draft grow old by 1 year in the beginning of the new season or their age will be the same when the draft take place?
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我玩过很多这类游戏的选秀，我们这个游戏是做得最差的，我投了很多钱探测球员，但是选秀点却没有任何意义，他甚至连探测新秀的技能都做不了，
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Relax. It's the first draft and will still be tweaked going forward. Main way is to keep scouting anyway for your dream player, this is just to add someone every now and then, not necessarily every season even.
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Comparing the guaranted rookie with the level of the draft players... Wow...
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As I understood the main goal of drafts were to improve chances of promoting clubs to get better players and to stay in the league.
Checked few leagues and I do not understand how players were distributed:
1.1WL has 4 players over 300RT
2.1 has 6 players over 300RT
2.2 has 7 players over 300RT
I do not want to fall into considerations that skill set is not proper for these leagues, but how promoting clubs to WL1 will get that help if there is no variety of player choices? -- 78 S 57 Dia
Checked few leagues and I do not understand how players were distributed:
1.1WL has 4 players over 300RT
2.1 has 6 players over 300RT
2.2 has 7 players over 300RT
I do not want to fall into considerations that skill set is not proper for these leagues, but how promoting clubs to WL1 will get that help if there is no variety of player choices? -- 78 S 57 Dia
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To everyone:
We will review statistics after the Drafts event and try to adjust everything for the next season’s event. So there probably will be some adjustments
Cesarrr:
There is nothing wrong about the difference between divisions. When you are the best in your current level, you go up and fight in higher division.
Drafts is about helping teams to fight in their current league (not few levels above).
If we created drafts’ players too good - it will create inflation and soon even currently good players will become too bad.
@GOD神
We have this in our TODO list, but we do do not known when we will implement it
Jardabudy
Yes, their age will increase - as for all other players
benislovas
"Ready to play" players are generated by random. It has happened this time that there are no "Ready to play" players in TOP8 of WL1. Such chances are pretty low and in the future drafts there will be more high RT low potential ("Ready to play") players. -- 78 S 57 Dia
We will review statistics after the Drafts event and try to adjust everything for the next season’s event. So there probably will be some adjustments
Cesarrr:There is nothing wrong about the difference between divisions. When you are the best in your current level, you go up and fight in higher division.
Drafts is about helping teams to fight in their current league (not few levels above).
If we created drafts’ players too good - it will create inflation and soon even currently good players will become too bad.
@GOD神
We have this in our TODO list, but we do do not known when we will implement it
JardabudyYes, their age will increase - as for all other players
benislovas"Ready to play" players are generated by random. It has happened this time that there are no "Ready to play" players in TOP8 of WL1. Such chances are pretty low and in the future drafts there will be more high RT low potential ("Ready to play") players. -- 78 S 57 Dia
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I'll repeat the question Shortdog asked, 'cause it seems there was no answer and this point is important..."Curious how youth sponsors will view these players. Will they get sponsored based on 50/100/150 like market players or will they be treated as scouted players?"
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Basically if you not in 1-3Wl this update is kinda of useless.
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saruman,This information is in help:
https://www.basketpulse.com/lt/Pagalba-sarasas.htm#hlpanc_5fc3c0817062a
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事实上这些新秀对高联球队更加没有用，因为他们的技能都不是顶级的，这样的球员没有办法帮助球队，
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One more thing - in my opinion players nationalities should be the same as distribution in that league. Now let's say the situation in WL1:
we have 14 teams from China, 12 from Lithuania, 3 Argentinian, 2 USA, 1 Germany
players in draft: 16 Chinese, 10 lithuanians, 2 argentinians, 2 germans, 1 american, 1 slovenian, 1 maltese.
This does not play part in signing, but it will play part in resigning these players. -- 78 S 57 Dia
we have 14 teams from China, 12 from Lithuania, 3 Argentinian, 2 USA, 1 Germany
players in draft: 16 Chinese, 10 lithuanians, 2 argentinians, 2 germans, 1 american, 1 slovenian, 1 maltese.
This does not play part in signing, but it will play part in resigning these players. -- 78 S 57 Dia
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Ramune, but there are several ready to play players in wl1 but all of them have useless skill set, so i believe it will happen in future. Also what about cost of scouting. This is way too big now. I propose to have 3 free scoutings for each team per season and 400 price for additional.
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I have 2 idea
1. Points for clasification
Example
1-2 50 points
3-4 100 points
5-6 150 points
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25-26 650 points
Positions 27 to 32 400 points for draft level down
Positions 1 to 3 600 points for draft level up
Second idea
MAX Contract for draft players
Example
Team A select n3 draft with 2 seasons contract
After 2 seasons Team A cant re sign n3 draft
Now Team B push 35000 o 40000 for n3 draft and team A cant offer 35000 o 40000 for n3 draft
Now team B have n3 drafted for team A
SOLUTION??
MAX CONTRACT OFFER for draft players in first contract AVERAGE VALUE -- 78 S 57 Dia
1. Points for clasification
Example
1-2 50 points
3-4 100 points
5-6 150 points
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25-26 650 points
Positions 27 to 32 400 points for draft level down
Positions 1 to 3 600 points for draft level up
Second idea
MAX Contract for draft players
Example
Team A select n3 draft with 2 seasons contract
After 2 seasons Team A cant re sign n3 draft
Now Team B push 35000 o 40000 for n3 draft and team A cant offer 35000 o 40000 for n3 draft
Now team B have n3 drafted for team A
SOLUTION??
MAX CONTRACT OFFER for draft players in first contract AVERAGE VALUE -- 78 S 57 Dia
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If players at my list gets drafted before my pick do I keep the points or do I get the player randomly?
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Why do you think so my friend? You have a nice pot 4 on the top of your list ;)
Amazing... -- 78 S 57 Dia
Amazing... -- 78 S 57 Dia
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1-3 pickam, manau maziausia 8-9 potai turetu buti, o jei ready to play , tai bent skilai tvarkingai sukelti butu
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benis the nationality discount is a joke that favors only large communities, it should be done away with all together. It puts small communities at a disadvantage in the marketplace, compound that with fewer scouts because of the draft system and you are effectively driving these communities out of the game. Why not instead have a discount for the team the player played on last season and forego the nationality discount altogether.
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Žodžiu daug šlamšto į, žaidimą paduos. Ateity norit nenorit teks žaist ne tik su robotukais su 12 tritaškių xd gerai gerai.
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I was against drafts system, but now I'm interested. Also, I like this position that drafts sistem will have adjustments in next seasons.
That's some problems which I see:
1. 18 of 33 players are guards (they are or will be less than 195 cm height) in 1st WL drafts. I think: It must be less than 10.
2. 7 of 18 small players are play making type. Small players without perfect dribbling and/or passing skills are not playing in real world, in basketpulse also. So the other 11 players are only trash.
I think: At least 70 percent of Guard type play should be play making type.
3. I see 4 players who probably cold be pretenders to national teams: 3 Chinese, 1 German. I could predict that 1 WL teams will averagely scout 0,33 8-10 player within a season. If my prediction is real, then Chinese national teams will get similar amount of free talents like Lithuanian national teams gets from scouting.
I think: Drafts players could be without names and nationalities. After pick they will get their draft teams nationality.
4. Ready to play players are not ready to play. 340 RT player's maximum skill is 10. He has awesome exp. That's a reason why he could be good enough to play in 3rd WL. That's how I am talking about one of the best drafts players right now in 1st WL.
There is one interesting player who probably could play for a few trash minutes in weak team. He is pg who has normal offence, some defence, jump skills, but his speed is 8. 1 pot, he won't reach at least 10.
I think: there shouldn't be superpowerfull players, but ready to play players should be able to play in their WL. -- 78 S 57 Dia
That's some problems which I see:
1. 18 of 33 players are guards (they are or will be less than 195 cm height) in 1st WL drafts. I think: It must be less than 10.
2. 7 of 18 small players are play making type. Small players without perfect dribbling and/or passing skills are not playing in real world, in basketpulse also. So the other 11 players are only trash.
I think: At least 70 percent of Guard type play should be play making type.
3. I see 4 players who probably cold be pretenders to national teams: 3 Chinese, 1 German. I could predict that 1 WL teams will averagely scout 0,33 8-10 player within a season. If my prediction is real, then Chinese national teams will get similar amount of free talents like Lithuanian national teams gets from scouting.
I think: Drafts players could be without names and nationalities. After pick they will get their draft teams nationality.
4. Ready to play players are not ready to play. 340 RT player's maximum skill is 10. He has awesome exp. That's a reason why he could be good enough to play in 3rd WL. That's how I am talking about one of the best drafts players right now in 1st WL.
There is one interesting player who probably could play for a few trash minutes in weak team. He is pg who has normal offence, some defence, jump skills, but his speed is 8. 1 pot, he won't reach at least 10.
I think: there shouldn't be superpowerfull players, but ready to play players should be able to play in their WL. -- 78 S 57 Dia
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Siulau naikinti isvis tuos draftus nes 5wl isvis nera nei vieno normalaus zaidejo.vien medziai sumesti
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Nu jo koks tolkas tokį auginti? Xddd pas mane bent 4pot centras yra su 217cm ūgio ir tvirtumo ir artimų potai geri ir tai neaišku kokia karjera turės o šitokie gryni niekalai. -- 78 S 57 Dia
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Nu jo koks tolkas tokį auginti? Xddd pas mane bent 4pot centras yra su 217cm ūgio ir tvirtumo ir artimų potai geri ir tai neaišku kokia karjera turės o šitokie gryni niekalai. -- 78 S 57 Dia
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Grazinkit jog leistu du zaidejus pasiskolint
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Where is the link with players type? I couldnt find it
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Kapitone, tai tam yra galimybe nesirinkti jei neturi aukšto šaukimo, laukt kito sezono. Nes toki pasiimt gali tik turėdamas neaukšta šaukima:D
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Tokie čia tik sąrašo užpildymui. Žinoma, galėtų tokie žemi šaukimai turėt progą pasirinkt kad ir tą patį tavo minėtą 4pot., bet su gerais jo pozicijai skirtais potencialais.
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Thank you for all your comments
Right now our first goal is to finish the Drafts system, there still are some details that have to be finished.
In the first half of the next season we plan to analyse how teams used Drafts and prospects. There will definitely be some balancing changes!
However, players’ nationalities probably won't be changed. They are created regarding the number of teams from each country in each league (the more teams from this country, the bigger chances for this country’s players to be created. As well, there are small chances for any country’s player to be created). At least in the nearest seasons we do not plan to change it. We want to keep the possibility even from very small countries to find a TOP level talent.
bloomis:
At some point we definitely need to review the market and its bonuses. Native country bonus is created to help small countries (it is a bit easier to extend contracts, because of smaller competition). But if that is not required anymore - it can definitely be reviewed and updated. -- 78 S 57 Dia
Right now our first goal is to finish the Drafts system, there still are some details that have to be finished.
In the first half of the next season we plan to analyse how teams used Drafts and prospects. There will definitely be some balancing changes!
However, players’ nationalities probably won't be changed. They are created regarding the number of teams from each country in each league (the more teams from this country, the bigger chances for this country’s players to be created. As well, there are small chances for any country’s player to be created). At least in the nearest seasons we do not plan to change it. We want to keep the possibility even from very small countries to find a TOP level talent.
bloomis:At some point we definitely need to review the market and its bonuses. Native country bonus is created to help small countries (it is a bit easier to extend contracts, because of smaller competition). But if that is not required anymore - it can definitely be reviewed and updated. -- 78 S 57 Dia
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Hi a-ramune!
Do you think that any of the players of the draft of your 4.2 WL can be selected? -- 78 S 57 Dia
Do you think that any of the players of the draft of your 4.2 WL can be selected? -- 78 S 57 Dia
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Hi A-Ramune
Where could we find the players types document? Could you show it in draft page? -- 78 S 57 Dia
Where could we find the players types document? Could you show it in draft page? -- 78 S 57 Dia
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I don't like the combination of automatic 2year contract and no "scout" privilegia of drafted player. 2years contract would ve OK with the possibility of prolonging contract like with player from scouts.
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Gero šroto paduos į WL 3, tik pora žaidėjų 3 lygai tinkami
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Mensaje de prensa ocultado por voluntario o administrador de la federación
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Quote:
"In the first half of the next season we plan to analyse how teams used Drafts and prospects. There will definitely be some balancing changes!"
I think I can already answer - every smart player will boycott this joke-draft. I have checked draft players lists of 4 leagues and there is not a single player worth signing. So it's huge tendency that there is not a single player worth signing in other leagues too.
And this comes out when Darius was talking that promoting teams will get TOP13 pick which will strenghten team chance to stay in higher league.
Is it comedy genre, or rather tragedy genre..? -- 78 S 57 Dia
"In the first half of the next season we plan to analyse how teams used Drafts and prospects. There will definitely be some balancing changes!"
I think I can already answer - every smart player will boycott this joke-draft. I have checked draft players lists of 4 leagues and there is not a single player worth signing. So it's huge tendency that there is not a single player worth signing in other leagues too.
And this comes out when Darius was talking that promoting teams will get TOP13 pick which will strenghten team chance to stay in higher league.
Is it comedy genre, or rather tragedy genre..? -- 78 S 57 Dia
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Mensaje de prensa ocultado por voluntario o administrador de la federación
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Mensaje de prensa ocultado por voluntario o administrador de la federación
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Some controls suggestion:
Would it be possible with this games design to have a "drag and drop" style for moving player in list instead of arrows "up-down"?
Also maybe would be better that all picks would be in position "off" so instead of clicking over 30 times we could click once or twice for players we want?
What happens to drafted player if team goes inactive after draft? Retires or stays alive? I might missed that info but if they go to market afterwards that might cause issues in future :) -- 78 S 57 Dia
Would it be possible with this games design to have a "drag and drop" style for moving player in list instead of arrows "up-down"?
Also maybe would be better that all picks would be in position "off" so instead of clicking over 30 times we could click once or twice for players we want?
What happens to drafted player if team goes inactive after draft? Retires or stays alive? I might missed that info but if they go to market afterwards that might cause issues in future :) -- 78 S 57 Dia
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this is the beginning of a new system in the game, all the changes are good but this takes time, let's be patient
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Challenge for a-darius and Ramune, reach 1wl and survive for at least 1 season with players who are classified in 1wl as ready to play players
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With those players you fight the title Wo bu pa haha
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Mensaje de prensa ocultado por voluntario o administrador de la federación
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Nu proteine kas tau atsitiko? tikrai normalus pacanelis buvai. Toks jausmas kad puntukas tavyje isikunijo
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Net neketinu dalyvaut draftuose, nes botinėse komandose daugiau talento nei man siūlo. Kone pusė su 1-3 pot ir net piko metu nebus 200 vk. Tad imi 16 metų žaidėją ir 10 sezonų lauki kol galėsi su jo pagalba bent iki atkrentamųjų prasimušt :D
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Formatas, o ko tu tikėjaisi, kad 5-6 wl lygoj, 10 pot žaidėjus, kuriu pikas 600 vk ir išsidraftinęs 2 žaidėjus galėsi kiaurai per visas lygas pereit ? Tiesiog logiśka, kad silpnesnėj lygoj silpnesni žaidėjai, jei manai, kad sugebėsi pakilt aukščiau be draftintų žaidėjų pagalbos, tai tu taip ir daryk, pataupysi draft taškus ir kai jau ateis laikas pasidraftinsi tai ko tau reiks tuo metu ir viskas
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Admin - one request, on the players for draft list page, those arrows do not respond very fast, would be great if you included a text box that we could just click in and type a # to place them in list. I understand more how it works and at this time believe it will be a good addition to the game. Thanks.
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How did some teams get all those draft points??? Someone has more than 2000!
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every $ 10,000 scout hunt carried 100 draft points if you didn't sign the youngster
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saruman, ulipulidoTeams that go to the upper division get a big bonus in Draft points.
Another possible reason is that teams which invested into the Drafts update got Draft points for the first Drafts event. More information about this can be found here:
https://www.basketpulse.com/en/PremiumFeatures-investavimoSritis-7.htm TheWizardKs, bananajohn: at some point we hope to have drag&drop here. But that is a job for a UX/UI specialist, so we don't know when it will be possible.
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Nesuprantu jeigu žaidėjas draftu sąraše yra pvz 16 metu tai ji kaip ryt draftuot reikės jis bus 16m. Ar jau 17??
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If I not participate in draft lotery will I get back all draft points, or only those which I had in 2wl (I get promotion to 1wl)
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J'ai un joueur de draft qui a été automatiquement inscrit dans mon équipe alors que j'avais coché toutes les cases de refus pour la draft. On est obligé de drafté un joueur ? Car je vais être obligé de le couper car il ne m'intéresse vraiment pas mais du coup je vais perdre de l'argent dans l'affaire...
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Gerbėjų nuomonė apie komandos vadovą Vidutiniškas
Vadovas nesąžiningai vadovauja komandai
Vadovas nesusitvarko su komandos finansais -- 78 S 57 Dia
Vadovas nesąžiningai vadovauja komandai
Vadovas nesusitvarko su komandos finansais -- 78 S 57 Dia
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